...but for what she does there isn't any real performance problem on OSX (read: Cruise the web, Check email...

Same here, Jay. I find that if I'm just 'playing' I'm using OS X. However, if I am trying to get something important done I still reboot into the legacy. I'm not real crazy about the ancient system and the poor memory management, but when I'm trying to get something done the system flies into the background and just let's me go. Often, I may start in OS X and some damn thing will stop me. Something doesn't work today, but it worked fine yesterday and probably work fine again tomorrow. The way the particular task is done in OS X just won't let me get up any speed. Something. And then there is the all pervasive presence of he OS itself. It just never melts into the background the way it should. During any long work session it will do something, or not do something, or take so much time doing it that I shout "okay, that's it" and reboot into the legacy. Can't screw around. The thing has to get done. When I'm finished and back to screwing around OS X seems fine for that purpose. Not bad.

Brad, are you certain it's the security features that is slowing down your PC? Pretty much all versions of Window tend to generate and accumulate crap like sludge until you're better off typing a one page letter on an old Brother portable typewriter. You'll get it done quicker, more efficiently.

Have you tried the Windows universal fix? You know, spending a day installing a fresh copy of the operating system followed by a reinstallation of all your applications and data? Just a guess. I use Windows as little as possible so I'm no expert.

Brad, are you certain it's the security features that is slowing down your PC? Pretty much all versions of Window tend to generate and accumulate crap like sludge until you're better off typing a one page letter on an old Brother portable typewriter. You'll get it done quicker, more efficiently.

Well, HH, I’ve noticed the same kind of slowdown on three different PC’s running XP. All have the latest updates.

Have you tried the Windows universal fix? You know, spending a day installing a fresh copy of the operating system followed by a reinstallation of all your applications and data? Just a guess.

That’s not a bad guess and, no, I haven’t tried that. My philosophy is to let these monolithic OS’s (whether OS X or XP) run for as long as they can before they eventually blow themselves up and then doing the reinstall. I know they’re going to do it eventually anyway. It would kind of feel like bringing coal to Newcastle to do a reinstall before its time.

One day easy maintenance and troubleshooting of one's computer by the end user (short of wiping the brains and starting over) will be considered an important part of user friendliness.

Does anyone else use Norton Internet Security on their PC? There's a pref where you can turn off all the Service Pak crap and just rely on Norton.

So you would use Norton Internet Security instead of the SP2 firewall because...? You are kidding right? Symantec pratically lives only to write and distribute crap (excluding the corporate versions of Ghost and AV) and you actually think their product is better than the one MS gives you for free?

Thats crapsettling if I ever heard it. It almost like you hate the MS product just because MS made it. Thats just not a good enough reason.

jay

You have crapsettled on windows you Linux wanna be.

Why I am a "Linux wanna be" Rico? Is it so hard to believe that some of us find room in our lives for more than one OS? Is it so hard to believe that despite the massive differences between OSes that a person could come in time to appreciate more than just one?

I've seen some odd things said in this thread. However Rico I think I'm going to single you out as the only true zealot here on the board from what has been said here. Are you so uncomfortable with your own choice of OS that you feel the need to attack me mindlessly without any basis whatsoever?

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Why I am a "Linux wanna be" Rico? Is it so hard to believe that some of us find room in our lives for more than one OS? Is it so hard to believe that despite the massive differences between OSes that a person could come in time to appreciate more than just one?

I've seen some odd things said in this thread. However Rico I think I'm going to single you out as the only true zealot here on the board from what has been said here. Are you so uncomfortable with your own choice of OS that you feel the need to attack me mindlessly without any basis whatsoever?

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For the record (and go ahead and get your panties in a bunch if you want – it's a free world), Rico was making a light-hearted joke.

Well one time is a joke. Twice makes a guy wonder... he's not making it terribly obvious.

jay

XP/Linux

There was a scientific study done and these were the results:

How Mac Users Feel=

How XP/Linux Users Feel=

You can not argue with science.

Well one time is a joke. Twice makes a guy wonder... he's not making it terribly obvious.

Well, you have to make allowances for Rico. He's a rare breed. He's both a Mac fanboy and a member of the geek aristocracy. It's a strange mix but it seems to work for him.

I piss blue on your beloved Aqua, Rico. (Although I doubt he's seen it in years. Probably does it all by the command line.)

...you feel the need to attack me mindlessly without any basis whatsoever?


Attack? Who's being attacked? You are being goofed on. How can you be a victim of attack when it's nigh well impossible to victimized anyone on thalo.net? We ain't got no victims here.

Now give it some thought. Rico is an OS X fanboy who posts regularly on a site that denounces OS X on it's main page. What's that make him? Right! He's a pain in the ass. Which, of course, makes him one of us.

Let's see... didn't you just accuse Thalo, the lead moderator and owner of the site, of "crapsettling?" I'm not saying this makes you one of us, but you have some potential there, kid. At least you have the balls to say what you think.

No I wasn't attacked... I was just a victim of Rico's odd sense of humor. As for me speaking my mind, thats never been a problem with me. When it comes to trying new things (especially where computers are concerned) I've never had a problem with that either. In some odd way my open mindedness when it comes to technology and software actually makes me more of an outcast than less of one though.

I write code for a living (web applications specifically) and I work in a 100% Microsoft shop right now. I'm literally the only person there that has knowledge of any modern OS other than Windows. And yet as we are all .NET developers I'm the only one there actively following the progress of mono (alternative OSS implementation of the .NET framework for BSD, Windows, Linux & OSX) despite the benefits such a project will offer .NET developers in a few years.

I guess the idea here is that most people don't go beyond the MS products because there really isn't a point. MS isn't going to just up and disappear tommorrow and it would literally take years of failures before they could ever run out of gas. Perhaps most people just don't see the point in investing the time and money (yes learning and using Linux costs money despite what OSS advocates may have you believe) in something that doesn't appear to have a snowball's chance. The situation you guys are railing against is even more dire than the standard MS vs World scenario I just described though. Apple is already pandering to a niche and the number of people out there that find they lost more than they gained in the OS9 to OSX transition are a niche within that niche. But that doesn't mean that you should just "give up" so to speak but it also doesn't mean that your efforts have much a chance of seeing any fruition.

I guess the bottom line is this: I appreciate that you guys have the balls to do what it is you are doing even though I don't agree with you in the least (in this particular instance as I hated OS7, OS8 and OS9 quite a bit) because regardless of your reasons it takes a bit of strength to keep from giving up the ghost and hitching a ride on the next bandwagon that rolls by. But the reality of the situation is clear. As "professionals" you'll come to the point where you either have to at least pretend to play ball (and it appears that most of you have done as you all appear to be have OSX or Windows machines) or take your glove and go home.

Jay

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Jay, would it bother you if I pointed out that in the original poem, the line was:

"Ours is not to REASON why...ours is but to do and die." ("Into the valley of death rode the six hundred...")

Anyway, there's a better rhythm with the extra syllable, isn't there?

Markle

No bother at all. A just put something into the sig field when I created the account - so its no skin off my teeth. Thanks for the heads up though.

No I wasn't attacked... I was just a victim of Rico's odd sense of humor.

Victim? We have a victim here, folks! Right here at thalo.net. Don't think I've ever seen one here before. Let's have him bronzed and set him up in the lobby!

I don't know if Rico was being humorous or not. He can speak for himself on that. I did think he was probably accurate. I have no idea what clued Rico in, but it was your exchange with Brad that made me think that; 'this is a MS/Windows guy with a couple of extra computers.' Ah, not that there's anything wrong with that.

In some odd way my open mindedness when it comes to technology and software actually makes me more of an outcast than less of one though.


Right on the mark, Jay. Open mindedness in any area can cause the same effect. Nearly any group has its group story and departure from that story, no matter how slight, or how true, or even no matter how beneficial to the general understanding of the subject, will not be smiled upon.

Heh okay sure. I use Linux almost as much on a daly basis as I do Windows. Truth be told since the OSX laptop is my wife's (though it used to be my main laptop) I dont use it nearly as much. In fact nearly every post of mine in this thread has been made from my linux laptop (save a few I made from the XP box I have at work).

As far as my use of Linux is concerned... I've been an avid user of Linux since I first installed Slackware in 1996. Until 2002 I pretty much had a love/hate relationship with Linux until I just came to terms with the fact that its not the "end all be all desktop replacement" that some will say that it is. Since that reckoning my use of linux has increased dramatically and I'm happy to say that at any given time I've got at least one Linux only box within easy reach. For the last year that has been my Compaq Evo n600c laptop. It boots only Linux and I only buy Linux compatible hardware for it.

So to call me a "MS/Windows guy with a couple of extra computers" is a bit disingenious. Though the only thing that really pushed me to look for an alternative is the fact that Windows 9x was almost as bad as MacOS(7/8/9) when it came to stability. Windows NT was always there but you couldn't really do anything non-work related on it as it was missing the DirectX components required to play most games. In the end Windows 2000 ended up coming along and "redeeming" Windows in my eyes. It took the best of both worlds and presented it to you in a single package.

So while I do believe that Windows XP is still the best option for most users (as it has only improved upon Windows 2000 AFAIC) I think that OSX is currently running a real close second. I'm not even sure I would bother to place Linux on the list of viable desktop OSes as there is just too much disparity in the "Desktop Linux" experience. Even the long-dead BeOS or the recently ressurrected AmigaOS would be better options than Linux when it comes to the average user's desktop.

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Heh okay sure. I use Linux almost as much on a daly basis as I do Windows. Truth be told since the OSX laptop is my wife's (though it used to be my main laptop) I dont use it nearly as much. In fact nearly every post of mine in this thread has been made from my linux laptop (save a few I made from the XP box I have at work).

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Linux/XP crapsettler, NEXT!!

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As far as my use of Linux is concerned... I've been an avid user of Linux since I first installed Slackware in 1996. Until 2002 I pretty much had a love/hate relationship with Linux until I just came to terms with the fact that its not the "end all be all desktop replacement" that some will say that it is. Since that reckoning my use of linux has increased dramatically and I'm happy to say that at any given time I've got at least one Linux only box within easy reach. For the last year that has been my Compaq Evo n600c laptop. It boots only Linux and I only buy Linux compatible hardware for it.

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I'm happy for you.

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So to call me a "MS/Windows guy with a couple of extra computers" is a bit disingenious. Though the only thing that really pushed me to look for an alternative is the fact that Windows 9x was almost as bad as MacOS(7/8/9) when it came to stability.

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An alternative from what at the time?
Were you stoked about Windblows 1?

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Windows NT was always there but you couldn't really do anything non-work related on it as it was missing the DirectX components required to play most games.

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Really??? Always? What were you using in 1992???

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In the end Windows 2000 ended up coming along and "redeeming" Windows in my eyes. It took the best of both worlds and presented it to you in a single package.

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Yeah no gaming issues in win2k!

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So while I do believe that Windows XP is still the best option for most users (as it has only improved upon Windows 2000 AFAIC)

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AFAIC you don't have a clue!

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I think that OSX is currently running a real close second. I'm not even sure I would bother to place Linux on the list of viable desktop OSes as there is just too much disparity in the "Desktop Linux" experience. Even the long-dead BeOS or the recently ressurrected AmigaOS would be better options than Linux when it comes to the average user's desktop.

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I wouldn't place linux a clse second either, and the only other moron running that amiga OS is that crazy Reimer fuxker so what are you on about?

Silly crapsetteling dipshit

I dont know pretend to know who you are Rave but could you keep from crapping on what has turned out to be a very educational civilized thread? Who the hell are you anyway? I think you should just do us all a favor and freaking leave.