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Hi Guys and Girls,
It's been a while since I've posted here, although I still drop in to read from time to time. I reached such a state of disillusionment after the release of Jaguar and the inability or unwillingness of Apple to address the concerns oft voiced here, while continuing to ad "features" to OS X which only seem to bog it down further, I just decided not to play for a while. I'm still using OS 9.04 as my primary OS, although I still prefer 8.6; some Canon software I needed to use won't run on anything earlier than 9. Recently however I realized that sooner rather than later I'm going to have to make a choice. I need to use some newer software and it's going to have to run on either OS X or Windows. Then, just last week, while visiting my son, I had the opportunity to play around with Windows for a few days. Wow, the Internet is fast. Even eBay searches display almost instantaneously. And then there's Google. Google Earth: (sorry, Windows only) very cool, useful, and fun. I do some long runs and bike rides and it's fun and informative to look at the routes and points of interest from the Google view. Picasa: (sorry, ...well, you know) It's not Photoshop, nor is it meant to be, but I like it better than Photoshop or iPhoto for processing folders full snapshots from parties or family outings, removing redeye and simple color adjustment and then archiving. I wish Google would go ahead and design a Windows or Mac replacement; I like their interfaces and their googas (Google googas?) much better than the ones Apple has done. So much that when faced with a choice of buying a new computer and all new software, I ask myself a question I thought I never would consider: Mac or Windows? This coming from previously one of the most ardent Mac proponents, an annoying Mac evangelist to (some of) my friends. I never thought I'd see the day, but here I am. I still do like the Apple hardware, though. Maybe Windows will run on the new Intels. Am I crazy? |
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THALO.net prophet |
Not at all! Windoze is far superior in speed regarding web-browsing and UI-Speed in general. It's just sad. It just works this way because most Apple-Users only know Apple, Apple and Apple again. Fair comparisons are very rare. Windoze also has massive downsides: Lots of Viruses for example. Btw, what kind hardware you and your son are using ? Getting a faster mac also speeds up browsing, etc. Anyway, Windows still has a speed advantage in this area, even on equal hardware. ... It's a tough decision. I would use both. |
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
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As you know, that's the same choice I'm facing sooner or later. And you've probably seen me comment on how, more and more, the internet is unfriendly to the Mac. This isn't the result of anything Microsoft itself is doing, it's because the website designers don't give as much attention to the Mac's tiny user base these days. Websites were supposed to be OS-neutral, but it isn't like that anymore. Of course, I'm still using OS 8.6. Has anyone here who IS using OS X found websites that are also unfriendly to X? . |
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| THALO.net brother |
http://www.killsometime.com
all WMA content. Fortunately, I have a nice AMD 3400 with this cool OS they call... Windows XP. Fast, and reliable, all for under $700. So I got no problem with windoze web sites. I still have my powerbook for work, but I'm leaning more to the lust of speed and power of the PC, and I'm seeing that the UI trade off between the two platforms isn't significant to deter me from a full switch, even though I'm still a dual-platform user. What a shame 
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You're not crazy brother, you are disappointed in Apple.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's no excuse for OS X to be this bad, this far in. It's the better choice for ME right now, but there are mitigating factors, like my company infrastructure... and of course my rabid loyalty to Apple. But I think they are f*cking up. This platform needs to be much better... both for pros and casual users. As many of you know, heresy of heresies, I purchased a PC a while back. It really is faster on the internet. But systemwise, it's every bit as irritating and confusing and counterintuitive as OS X. The Mac has the edge only because it still has some vestiges of the legacy in its user experience. It needs to have more. |
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THALO.net divinity |
In a nut shell yes you are crazy.
Anyone who thinks moving to XP will make things better has screws loose. For starters it will not make anything easier for the user. Not one thing. Especially for a Mac user. Move to XP you might as well by a time share in a Tech Support company. In the past several months I had to help some XP users. Luckily there were no red hot pokers handy or I would be blind. |
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Ha! I suspected as much.
But there's something that just rubs my fur the wrong way and that is paying a premium for a thing that is merely the lesser of two evils. |
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
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Even Mac site Version Tracker locks up my 8.6 machine now. Beachball spins, clock freezes. Have to do a keyboard restart to fix it. . |
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| THALO.net brother |
Oh, come on. Just buy yellowdog linux, install it on your Mac and all's well. You can run your Mac apps at full speed in mac-on-linux (given 512 MB of RAM or more) and enjoy the latest and greatest of firefox, OpenOffice and whatever. http://www.yellowdoglinux.com It's not a windows versus mac world any more. It's just that some people haven't noticed yet. |
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
Oh, come on yourself. That's no solution. Linux is fine when you have the know-how or a techie person on hand, but it's not a mass-market OS for average users. . |
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| THALO.net divinity |
Let's see going Wintel you would need to hire a tech support staff. Going Linux you would need to go back to college to get
a tech support degree.
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| THALO.net divinity |
Markle do you have flash and shockwave plug ins installed? Check this plugin page at mozilla. It lists many of the plugin's you need to browse the web. The plugins are universal across browsers. To browse Version Tracker there could be a combination of things freezing the browser from flash/shock wave content to pop up ads. I have suggested Mozilla as a good browser because it has pop up ad blocking. I believe IE has no such feature built into it. I never liked IE because it gives to much control of web browsing to the webmaster and little control to the user. At least IE in 8.6/9 gave the user very limited control. Instead webmasters have free range to control the user moving windows forcing unwanted advertisements to pop into view. Really what the hey. I did not ask for a new window to pop up. But that is windows. There is always some crap hole message box appearing somewhere in the interface like a wackamole game. Honestly it is hard to fathom how a diehard Mac user such as yourself even uses IE. It is so unMac like. IE is windows literally. Beachballs? Brother prophet have you secretly been using Mac OS X on the old beige. You are really an Xpostfacto aficionado. |
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
The beachball has a long and venerable history far pre-dating OS X. I do have Flash and Shockwave plug-ins, but it could be that the website doesn't support my old versions anymore. It's the same with Java--OS 8.6 doesn't support the latest versions of Java being used at a lot of sites. I need the coming OS wars to present themselves so I can decide what to do with my computing future. I am SO behind the times. . |
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| THALO.net divinity |
Markle it probably doesn't have to do with Java but more like Javascript. Any programmer please confirm that Java and Javascript
are to seperate things. One other factor you have is your CPU is only at 233Mhz or is it 300Mhz? This is a factor in how well
the browser and Java/Javascript content can be handled by your machine. Quicktime and Windows media content etc.
You should try Mozilla 1.2.1. It is linked at the top of the plugins page above. It should allow smoother browsing for you if you install all those plugins from that page. If you have pop ups happening all the time. Pages moving around the screen and resizing themselves. Mozilla will stop most pop ups and about all the moving/resizing of windows. I have said before if you did a CPU upgrade you would get another 5 years or more out of 8.6. |
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Mockerator |
I've been running Mozilla 1.2.1 in OS 9 for quite some time, Markle. It works great. Give it a try and see if that improves
things.
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
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My current DSL setup was handled by a Mac consultant; I couldn't do it myself with my "unsupported" system. When you install a new browser, how do you point it/connect it to your internet service? (Probably an incredibly newbie question to most of you!) . |
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| THALO.net divinity |
Markle once the browser is installed Mozilla will find the connection on its own. No special settings needed. That's just
the function of the browser as an application.
I think Mozilla's preferences are under the edit menu. I would first change the Advanced:scripts preferences. That is were the ad blocking setting are located. Also uncheck the settings for moving and resizing windows. There are several other settings there but those are really the most important. You will have to extract the installer after the download. It should create another folder with the installer in it. You may have to reload some of the plugins like flash/shockwave for Mozilla. |
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| THALO.net brother |
This is the attitude that allows Steve Jobs to get away with it. Do you think this http://lowendmac.com/crews/05/1214.html is a "techie person" ? (BTW, he has one thing wrong: You don't need internet access to install Ubuntu). I don't think so. Linux is there. It's free. It works. You can try it at no cost. Or you can go on dissipating Apple propaganda. If you tried it, however, you might ask yourself, how can it be that a bunch of spare-time programmers are able to create this and a billion dollar company that brags about how great and innovative they are is able to create OS X. As i said, you might start not letting Steve get away with it any more. Seems to me you prefer staying in your little Apple-world. This message has been edited. Last edited by: klapauzius, |
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
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Maybe as a technologically sophisticated person you don't know what life is like for someone who isn't. Whenever OS's are discussed in the computer world, the consensus is that Linux isn't for average users without on-call tech support. It isn't just Apple. . |
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| THALO.net brother |
Well, give my regards to Mister consensus then. |
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