http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/331275/official-why-i-hate-osx-thread/

Original quote: " If you just want to complain (incoherently, I might add), I suggest you visit thalo.net."

I can just laugh at the brainwashedness over there...

ps. Btw, where the hell is maxximo?

brother max is on hiatus, I guess.

Oh lordy. Gotta love MacNN. A bastion of Mac Apologists, buttressed by sweet sweet youth. The median age over there has gotta be what, freakin' 19? Those guys just make me tired. But not one of them has the nads to meet me on a level playing field to debate the issues.

It's been a constant ploy of X-men to paint the X-critics as a) just rank complainers, with no grounds for being dissatisfied, and b) legacy greybeards who can't "embrace the future."

Oh puh-leeez. What they don't get, is that simply because they got charmed by the casual use direction of the OS, that doesn't make it adequate for people who have to work for a living. And wanting to support Apple like a fucking charity doesn't miraculously turn Aqua into an intuitive and decent graphical user interface.

I've said this since the beginning, but being a cheering section for Apple, while overlooking the major problems in the operating system, is not doing Apple any favors. To REALLY support Apple, you've gotta hand them some tough love from time to time. And believe me, they need it.

But no, they continue to shout down and squelch anyone with legitimate criticism about OS X. Which is why progress has been so slow, and why --at best-- the Mac OS continues to be painted into the casual use/digikid corner. Me, I want it to break out and start appealing to producers rather than consumers. I'd like to see it tailored a bit more for designers, artists, prepress jocks, all the creative types, the former bedrock MacFaithful (who never left the platform) Apple left high and dry when they started going for mass appeal.

The MacNN guys just get insulted because when you point out what a crib-toy twiddle engine OS X is, they take it personally because they like it... they don't DO enough with it to experience the problems pro users do. If you're a slacker and a time-waster, I'm sure it's the cat's ass. If you depend on it in a creative capacity, it falls way short.

But anyway, it's good to see a thread like that, could be a sign of the impending MacLash that I've been waiting and hoping for.

Well, it wouldn't be a stretch to call me a slacker and a time-waster, but OS X still pisses me off. Here's one consumer who values good interface design.

Good god, what awful forum software they have. It takes forever to load.

I can just laugh at the brainwashedness over there...

Hand to heart, I can think of only perhaps two or three other people on all the forums I've been on who gave critiques – and praise – for OS X in as much mind-numbing detail as thalo. That's part of the problem. He doesn't just say "I hate it." He backs it up with specific examples. That's a damn sight better than those dweebs who chime in with a brainless "If you just want to complain (incoherently, I might add), I suggest you visit thalo.net."

It's like you talk about, brother brad... the ability to FACE FRIGGIN' REALITY. To The MacNumbNutzers, they need OS X to be great to feel good about themselves. Their stake is their identity, their membership in a fan club. They got conned, and now have to cover up the con or else look like retards.

Me, I NEED, and I mean really NEED OS X to be good. Not pretend-good, really good. I have a business that depends on Macs and software that runs on Macs. I know my way around Unix, but I'm no geek. I'm a power-GUI user. Meaning I need the GUI to be effective and intuitive. Since day 1, it became clear that this Nextstep retread is anything but. I've never in my born days seen any piece of software so utterly dependent on eye candy for its very existence. Not on the way it WORKS, mind you, but totally and completely on how it LOOKS. I've never seen an operating system this flaky and beta so many years after its initial release. OS X has never been stable, fast, or reliable. No it hasn't. If it was, I wouldn't be here. It's never once met my expectations as a legacy Mac user. There have been things about it that I can tolerate, there are things that work WAY better now than they did in the early versions... but holy crap, it's still basically... uh, CRAP.

To Apple: sorry, this software needs to be better. Much better. It's not good enough. I don't like being the Simon Cowell of the Mac world, but I have to let you guys know that you're doing a crappy job. You're able to compete because of your marketeers, and because you know how to rope in rubes, not because you have created great software. The Platinum designers/conceivers could run circles around the Aqua guys. The old AHIGs are leaps and bounds more brilliant than the new... it's like our modern world, where most boomer parents are WAY cooler and smarter than their dork kids. OS X didn't develop. It stagnated. It threw aside some hard-won genius interface evolutions, and traded them for complete happy horseshit.

Visual superabundance rather than lean, mean, and common sense. Bring Less is More to the Mac UI, and you'll rule the world. Keep going like you're going, with cheesebag façades and skins and shit, and you'll continue to come off as having complete disdain for your loyal userbase.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, it's the difference between making GOOD TOOLS, and selling cotton candy. Good tools change the way people work. Cotton candy is sweet for a second, but then it's gone, and you crap it out. You've been all style and no substance for too long now. Time to get off your asses.

It's like you talk about, brother brad... the ability to FACE FRIGGIN' REALITY. To The MacNumbNutzers, they need OS X to be great to feel good about themselves. Their stake is their identity, their membership in a fan club. They got conned, and now have to cover up the con or else look like retards.

I actually think that's damn good bit of psychological profiling.

Since day 1, it became clear that this Nextstep retread is anything but. I've never in my born days seen any piece of software so utterly dependent on eye candy for its very existence. Not on the way it WORKS, mind you, but totally and completely on how it LOOKS.

One reason so-called "grey beards" can't see the virtue of OS X is because part of that virtue is novelty. Think bower birds. Think peacock's tail. Ever notice how yutes of any culture or time tend toward fads, the novel, etc.? The historic answer for this has been about yute rebelling from parental control. Well, perhaps to a certain extent that is true. But the larger truth I think is the reality of sexual selection. Next to natural selection, perhaps nothing is as powerful as sexual selection. It's responsible for the peacock's tail and the ram's horns. And novelty is something highly prized in humans. According to Susan Blackmore's book, The Meme Machine , imitation has been a huge evolutionary driver in humans in regards to our brain development. Under this theory, the way for a man to show fitness is to show his ability to be a good imitator. Good imitators pick up the best survival skills from others. They learn how to make the best tools, know the best hunting techniques, etc. And a sort of condensed way to show off one's ability to imitate is simply to imitate and embrace new ideas for the sake of new ideas. Just like the peacock's tail, it's an example of runaway sexual selection. From a Darwinian point of view, liking new things will automatically brand one as worthy.

Grey beards like us sit back and ask about question of functionality, even while admitting that eye candy can be cool in its own right. But something deeper lurks in the skulls of yutes. Innovation is good for its own sake. It has it's own value. It's just innate. None of this stuff comes to the conscious mind. And that's one reason we've often been arguing right past many a yute who has been enamored by the eye candy. They didn't have the first idea for why they liked what they liked. And frankly, we probably didn't have the first idea either why they liked what they liked.

That's one explanation. Highly speculative, of course, but indeed, something has to rationally be able to explain crap settling, which might better be termed "newness accepting." I would guess that there is some truth to this.

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enamored by the eye candy

That is just a false myth created by X-Critics.

My desktop is gray for every person that says the Dock is a moving target therefore it is unusable I will show you a moron.

Oh my god, the Dock IS a moving target! It's absolutely ridiculous if you have Magnification on (I do) and hiding on (I do). And it stutters and misfires WHILE it's a moving target, making it even more maddening. Sometimes I'll throw my cursor down to the bottom of the screen... no dock. Hello? I know you're down there... you have to mouse up and then slam down again hoping the dock will rise. It's idiotic. It's usable if you change natural human workflows and behavior into some silly jump-through-the-hoops Apple chimp counterintuitive behavior. There's crap like that across the whole interface. Sometimes when I'm helping somebody with a Mac over the telephone, I hear myself telling them shit to do to get the interface to do the things it's supposed to do, and I'm actually EMBARRASSED. Because so much of it goes so far against common sense. "Well, to avoid the beachball when typing something in Spotlight, open Stickies, type your search string there, then cut and paste it into Spotlight! Voila!" Please. OS X is the fucking KING of stupid ass workarounds that make no sense. Apps like VPN break for me NEARLY EVERY DAY, forcing me to haul out the fucking terminal and command line the SystemStarter. Irritating. That should be auto-friggin' MATIC. So shouldn't things like nursemaiding prefs and privileges. The Mac should DETECT when it's fucking up and run those routines on its own.

The moving target dock debacle is a perfect example of features that have been added because the original idea was ill-conceived. For example, I HAVE to use magnification, because I need the dock to be small and out of the way until I need it. BUT... when it's that small, you can't see what the hell the icons are (because the Aqua icons are so poorly and so over-designed), so magnification is the only way you're going to get a good look at them. No wait, you can command-tab, lol, and see a whole other level of interface that's there because the Dock doesn't work right.

The reason I hide the dock, is that the dock is always in the fucking way. Apps like Flash with palettes you want at the bottom of the screen are a nightmare if the dock is visible.

My desktop is gray too, but I still can't set my highlight color to what I want (black), and I can't seem to turn off fucking Aqua BLUE in the Left Column Finder! I can't get rid of the stupid crystal sausage or brushed aluminum eye candy(one of the reasons I'm looking forward to Leopard)... no hyper-rendered stupid fucking overdesigned 3-D icons.... yeah, no eye candy here. Just a false myth created by X-Critics. Right.

We have are first moron.

I simply can't use magnification, because it's annoying and it's against fitts and my law of moving targets. I would love to use hiding dock, but the stutterness thalo already mentioned makes it inacceptable. Not suitable for speedy working. I would prefer an non-smooth-moving hiding function, just move your mouse and instant POP it's there, then i would LOVE to have a pref for the duration how long it stays after mouse is elsewhere to avoid flickering.

Well, i just accidently put some words on a shirt template.

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We have are first moron.

LMAO, brother, I'm the moron, and you don't know the diff between "our" and "are"? Get some rest.

I'm surprised some of you manage to use the Dock at all. Not even auto-hide could make it acceptable for me.

brother ianj,

I remember kinda liking the Control Strip. One of the things that was best about it was that you could hide/invoke it with a single click on a widget. That made a lot of sense to me.

I still think the greatest waste of space in the whole operating system is the menubar. On the 30" Cinema display, there is an ACRE of wasted menubar space. I imagine my "dock" being part of that, and I literally get heart palpitations, that would be EXACTLY what I want. All controls at the top. Compact, common sense, always visible. No dock icon should be bigger than a system menu icon anyway. Imagine something that's like a cross between the Dock and the Control strip, up there in the menubar. One click on a widget to expand the visible. That would rock.

I also envision the ability to dock custom menus and toolbar palettes in the menubar. Not only for every app, but for the FINDER. Completely replace Finder window toolbars, which do nothing but junk things up anyway.

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LMAO, brother, I'm the moron, and you don't know the diff between "our" and "are"? Get some rest.

I must be suffering from the same dyslexia problem of HighHopes.

Sleep is good.

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Sleep is good.

Oh baby, I wouldn't know. It's 11:30 and I'm still at friggin' work.

Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!