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http://www.betanews.com/article/Rise_of_complaints_foll...56_update/1229442960

Rise of complaints follows Apple Mac OS X 10.5.6 update

By Scott M. Fulton, III, BetaNews
December 16, 2008, 11:02 AM

An unusual spike in comments posted to Apple's support forums since yesterday afternoon points to the possibility of certain problems in particular with the company's latest rollup to the Mac operating system.

The blue screen has typically been the unofficial Windows logo, at least in and around Macintosh circles. But this morning, users of Mac OS X have been reporting a number of problems, most of which fall into the same category, and some of which are leaving users' computers booting up with nothing on their screens but a field of blue.

"my mac pro has startup issues since update: after login i can only see a blue screen," reads one complaint posted to Apple's support forum early this morning.

Many of the problems reported since yesterday appear to be with the software updater version of the rollup package. Users who updated their systems with the stand-alone version of 10.5.6 are reporting few or zero problems upon reboot. Yesterday afternoon, one business reported a simultaneous hang in all seven of its Macs, using the software updater. Folks trying to help him out suggested that he may have installed too much third-party software on his system, with the result being that the automatic installer might not be able to adequately interpret changes that software may have made.

The problem could come down to an inability of the software updater to reconcile disk permissions, which is the Mac's way of determining which applications have permission to use certain resources, by means of an audit trail. Apps that have been installed using package files, especially those made by Apple itself, leave bill-of-materials files (.BOM) on the system. These files can later be used in a reconciliation process by means of the Disk Permissions utility, which can restore permissions to their proper state.

But that's assuming software uses the package installation process, and many third-party apps don't. As a result, they could load startup drivers into memory whose resources could conceivably be locked out once the software updater (theoretically) overwrites those custom permissions with system defaults.

Ironically, this could lead to troubles with Apple software anyway, including most notably Time Machine, the company's innovative system restoration feature. Many users since yesterday have been reporting permissions failures in that program, which appear on the screen with messages like this: "You don't have permissions to back up file x in Time Machine 1." Also, users who had their USB devices chained with third-party tools in a lower order, and Apple devices (such as the keyboard) higher-up, are receiving low-power warnings, which could be linked to permissions for USB device drivers. Some have been able to rectify these problems by swapping out the order of these devices.

One individual who faced the entire problem down and successfully worked around it, reported his travails this way: "I noticed Software Update was downloading a 190 MB update. I tried installing the update normally on both machines. I encountered the hang. Forced reboot (hold power button) and tried downloading the update and installing it. Same problem. Force quit installer. Went to Apple's support page and downloaded the 10.5.6 Update (not the combo) which was 372 MB (not 190) and it worked just fine on both systems. Apple needs to fix the 190 MB package they have on Software Update."


And read the comments below the article. Classic Mac debate rhetoric.
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All good here. As usual.

Once again the Internet disproportionately magnifies the concerns of the statistically insignificant to that of a panicked fervor...


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Same here MightyQ.

I used software update.
 
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For me, sleep broke. Again.

My computer beachballs more frequently.

Connection to network volumes is much slower, and icon previews on network volumes take forever to fill in on the Finder.

Quicktime stalls in the middle of playing a wmv file, with "Flip4Mac" installed.

I'm also back to having DVD player issues. Yet again, a software update breaks DVD player. DVDs take forever to mount, and stall after playing for a few seconds. The clock keeps ticking, but the image stalls on a freezed frame. If I drag forward on the player window, the movie plays for another few seconds from that point, and stalls again. Un-friggin' believable. The only way I corrected this last time, was to reinstall my system from scratch.

To me, this update was yet another step backward.
 
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Thalo the Radiator doesn't happen to rise up in the air on you spinning around in place spewing split pea soup all over the place?

If so what I think you need is to perform an exorcism.
 
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Updated Wednesday, it works like a champ on the MBP. I wish to add that i still hardly do work on the MBP, just playing with Music-Apps, watching TV and surfing.
 
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Thalo the Radiator doesn't happen to rise up in the air on you spinning around in place spewing split pea soup all over the place?


LMFAO! It's the story of my life. Oh, the other thing, DVD player has absolutely no VOLUME... the volume control is disabled and the slider widget doesn't even move. Sound everywhere else on the Mac, including iTunes, seems to work fine.

I tried another account on the same install. DVD player broken as well.

I have ANOTHER install on the "scratch" raptor, with 10.5.5 I booted that, checked DVD player, worked. Ran the update on that volume, it worked. So it's something about this install on this drive (which I've been working steadily on... you know my theory, OS X fucks up with hard use). I tried copying over the good copy of DVD player, no help.

Right now I can't see what's different in the two installs. I think the third party crap is the same, but not 100% sure.

I wonder if the issues are my local network. Seabiscuit is Panther Server, and the other computers are Leopard... oh, and one laptop with Panther.
 
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More detective work on this 10.5.6 problem. First let me say this: OS X is total crap, has been from the start.

OK, I've narrowed the problem down to an AUDIO issue and USB. I have Harmon Kardon Soundsticks speakers. When I am experiencing the DVD Player fuckup, if I change the Audio Output to the internal speakers, the DVD magically unstalls itself, and starts playing, with sound. If I switch it to USB and the soundsticks, boom, it freezes again. Fine.

Trouble is, now I have another install of 10.5.6 on the other raptor, where the DVD Playback works fine, including having the sound go through my speakers.

In other words, on one disk, DVD Player works, on the other, it doesn't. Same hardware, same speakers, same DVD. Both are instances of 10.5.6, and yet the copy I've used most (on the first raptor) I have this issue.

Now I need to find out what's interfering with sound through the USB on the first raptor's install. I'm at my wit's end. Something is pooching the USB audio. I've looked through everything I have installed, and I can't tell the difference between the two drives.

It's not specific user related, because all accounts on the first raptor have the problem, while all accounts on the second raptor don't.

So I need to determine what KINDS of things clog a USB bus, related to audio. What kind of third party crap, what components of OS X are involved with USB and audio.

Oh, did I mention that on the problem install, the DVD Plays fine through other software (VLC). That means sound through the soundsticks, too.

So it's DVD Player plus Soundsticks on one particular instance of 10.5.6 on this disk, but in other software, the soundsticks work fine for DVD playback (and other audio playback like iTunes).

And it can't be the DVD Player app itself, because the same copy of the app works on the other install.

So it's a system thing. There must be some particular software controller of USB audio data that's specific to your install. If I could find whatever that is, I bet I could prove it's pooched.
 
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This could be a bum USB port on the 30" Cinema (where I was plugging in the speakers). When I changed ports, the DVD player started working again.

I wonder if this also had something to do with the lines that would occasionally appear on the monitor.

What it doesn't explain, is why the speakers worked for OTHER apps, even while plugged into the bum port. For example, my iTunes played fine, and I could play DVDs with other software and the audio would be fine.
 
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There is some annoyance i have when opening my applications-folder. The finder then calculates the sizes of each app and that slows down the whole finder. And even worse it only calculates the ones you see, when scrolling up or down it starts over for the ones you see then. WTF? Do you also have that issue? It feels like IT-stoneage.
On my other mac i use Tiger, which doesn't have that issue. I also have the size column activated, but disabled the "calculate all files" (don't know the english term, because of german OS) option.
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I know i can disable the "size" in listview, but that's not what i want.
I want the finder to REMEMBER the sizes, this is 2009!
"Calculate all files" is disabled on that Leotard Macbook. And it doesn't stop the finder from crawling along. Example of Window Settings

Finders seems to remember the sizes when running. But after a OS restart they're lost and need to be calculated again. Pfffft.
 
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