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Originally posted by RicoX:

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OS X on the other hand has a very conservative approach (e.g. awful hybrid-kernel)

Brother smithz did you come up with this idea before or after your addiction to beer? A hybrid-kernel sounds like the opposite to conservative.

Brother Rico, by "conservative" i wanted to describe what apple did, somehow merge the BSD-Kernel(open-source kernel) with the Mach-Kernel (Next roots). That is - at least to me - pretty conservative compared to the solution of starting completey from scratch. (e.g. BeOS)

My addiction to beer is getting worse... and it started WAY before OS X and will propable last *a lot* longer than OS X.

It's not just conservative, it's cheap and dishonest. It cons the MacFaithful into believing they are getting this new, ultramodern, ground-up operating system, when all they are getting is old crap, FREE opensource crap, which has been nothing but tweaked and buried in eye candy. Then we get charged as if it was developed by cutting-edge genius geeks over years. And yet I guarantee you the FATHERS of the Apple engineers who work on this outdated garbage probably understand it better than they do.

I say it's time to cut the cord to Nextstep, or figure out a way to make it work like a Macintosh. Revisit the legacy OS for how to DESIGN a GUI, and do everything in your power to make the GUI responsive, intuitive, and streamlined. The problem with OS X right now is that it's built on a foundation of stuff that really doesn't work right. Never has. Eye candy is the only thing that keeps people coming back. Stupid little one-note apps that can be run on the command line with one line of text, dolled up with a GUI skin a thousand times more complex than what the stupid things actually DO. Obscene wastefulness of computing resources is what this is all about. GUI as marketing device, software as something to be ADDICTED to, like a Bum is to Night Train. An it's more important to get people to keep buying it, over and over and over again, than it is to make it right or make it work.

It's not just conservative, it's cheap and dishonest. It cons the MacFaithful into believing they are getting this new, ultramodern, ground-up operating system, when all they are getting is old crap, FREE opensource crap, which has been nothing but tweaked and buried in eye candy. Then we get charged as if it was developed by cutting-edge genius geeks over years. And yet I guarantee you the FATHERS of the Apple engineers who work on this outdated garbage probably understand it better than they do.

I've heard that if you stick a version of Linux on a piece of old Mac (or even PC) hardware, you can give it new life. Apparently because it is such an efficient operating system, you can make better use of whatever hardware power that you have. I don't know if this is objectively true, but I do remember that as soon as Jobs & Company took over Apple again, all of the little things that they produced (such as Sherlock and the Navigation Services open/save dialogs) were much slower. It seemed everything that this new Apple touched got bloated. Instead of the Midas touch they had the molasses touch.

Obviously it shows how stupid and naive I was, but I really did expect that when OS X came out that it would actually work faster on my current hardware. That, after all, was supposed to be what having a modern operating system was all about. Well, we all know how that story turned out. We're still trying to find ways to throw enough hardware at OS X to make it as fast as OS 9, at least in terms of interface responsiveness.

OS X can do a lot of things, but one thing it consistently does is pause and slow down. And I have a hell of a time trying to manage files in the Finder. Behavior is so erratic. It often happens that I go to drag a file to a folder and the list in the Finder window will "jump" and I end up missing the folder or sticking the file in another folder. This almost never happened in OS 9. Something is very very wrong in the innards of this bloated beast for these kinds of problems to have not been ironed out yet.

What kills me, is all the sudden and unexpected slowdowns. Where you get crap like beachballs after every move you make, and you have to start checking the console, or the activity monitor to see what the hell is going on.

I have times where things grind to a complete standstill, forcing me to drop everything, start quitting apps, and eventually restart. It's JUST as irritating, if not moreso, than legacy freeze-ups. But while those FORCED you to restart, where you just moved on, these kind of crashes take longer to deal with, because part of you holds out hope that you can recover. But you end up having to restart anyway when you can't. Drives me mental.

LOL. What you describe sounds like what we could call a "creeping crash." Same thing happens here. I was another one of the unfortunate ones who wasn't issued a Magic Mac.

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Clearly OS X is a Commie OS and OS 9 is a capitalist OS.

LOL! I know you're joking, of course, but it's funny how close we stick to our usual vocabulary!

Once we start thinking in that direction, we can really have fun with it. OS X is a leftist, liberal plot by Hillary to lower our expectations, to prepare us for a society based on the lowest common denominator! Intel chips were necessary to bring an end to Classic, so we'd lose the last of our legacy apps and slowly forget how good things could be. And besides, comparing good/bad/better/best is an elitist, judgmental, insensitive thing to do, highly offensive to the incompetent crap.

And furthermore, if God intended us to have computers, he would have mentioned them in the Bible. How many references to computers can YOU find in the Bible? Enough said. I rest my case. OS X is your punishment for going against the Word of God.
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OS X is a leftist, liberal plot by Hillary to lower our expectations, to prepare us for a society based on the lowest common denominator! Intel chips were necessary to bring an end to Classic, so we'd lose the last of our legacy apps and slowly forget how good things could be.

That's the spirit. If Hillary were head of Apple, the slogan for OS X would be "It takes an Open Source." Upgrades would be free for life but they would be in short supply. Eventually they would be rationed. You'd be put on a waiting list to get them. And although upgrades would be "free," the "rich" would be taxed. "Rich" would be defined by having more that a gigaflop of CPU, more that a gigabyte of memory, or more than fifty gigabytes of hard drive space. (Unformatted space would not count toward one's taxable property, so third-part disk operating systems would be developed that cleverly wrote data to unformatted sectors. These third-party programs would be deemed subversive and would be outlawed. Those found with these programs would have their computers confiscated and would be sent to reeducation camps.)

And of course Apple Care would be free – and free for life. But you'd be taxed a few pennies every day depending on the number of programs you were running at one time, how often you read or wrote to the hard drive, and how many CPU cycles you used. As usual, there would be a disincentive to being productive. Instead of eye candy slowing things down, socialism would be slowing things down, as usual. It would be a lovely world. A Brave New World.