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You better believe we are voting smithz.

In Nelson's neck of the woods there is a huge amount of voter fraud going on by a group called ACORN. Actually all over the United States voter fraud is happening by this group. No news outlet is reporting on this as Senator Hussein is tied to ACORN. He was a lawyer for ACORN. Senator Husseins campaign has given ACORN $800,000 for their Get-Out-the-Vote-Effort.

Here is an article from the New York Post by Stanley Kurtz outlining the type of community agitating Senator Hussein was conducting in Chicago. It involved ACORN and sub-prime lending.
 
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But the mindset of more and more people (and I think it was Brett Baier in his report today who did a tremendous job making this point) is that the problems we have are because of the free market being out of control. The truth is just the opposite. The problems are because of government being out of control. We are lost, brother Rico, totally lost as a free country if we lose this argument, if people begin to believe it is the state, not freedom, that produces all that we have.

That's one of the best bottom lines I've ever heard. That's politics, to me, in a nutshell. The state, or freedom. The government has to be the FIRST to acknowledge this. All the ass-covering and corruption and weaselry is because they don't get it. Really the only thing standing in the way of our freedom nowadays, is the sheer size and bloatedness government itself. I wish McCain really had the nads to trim it back by half. But the rub there is, the government is a huge employer. So many people would be out of a job.

So if you can't just amputate the bullshit from the bloat, you have to make the bloat PRODUCTIVE. Those jobs you don't want to cut have to be turned from the dark side of consuming taxpayer money, to actually making money for the coffers. There's a difference between a bureaucracy that's a suck, and one that operates efficiently and actually produces revenue, like the postal service.

Almost every government program should be able to make money for the American people, rather than suck it up like a Hoover. If there's any type of welfare, affirmative action, getting people on their feet and productive, well, then WHEN THEY ARE productive, they should thank the people who helped them get there, with a few bucks. Remember that great scene in "Cinderella Man" where Russell Crowe goes back into the unemployment office after he hits it big, and PAYS BACK THE MONEY he got while on the dole? That was a thrilling, patriotic act.

We need to really decide what's a government program, and what's just charity. And if it's charity, fine. There's no rule that says the government CAN'T be charitable. That we can't help the poor, sick, infirm. Only there are charities for that.

You know that saying, you have to spend money to make money? It's true. So if the government spends money, it should do it in such a way that there's going to be some kind of return. And that return won't line the pockets of bureaucrats, ON TOP of them getting our hard-earned. It should be used to make the program self-sufficient. Nonprofit. And if it turns a profit, the taxpayer should share in that.

We own the government. We're the boss. If they lose our money, they should be held to task. If they make money, they should be making it for US. We need our cut. We need to run some of this country more like a fortune 500 company, and less like a fucking crooked carny.
 
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I'm reaching the point, unfortunately, where any further discussion with you is even pointless by the standards of internet forums.

Just now? Finally? I reached the point WEEKS ago of realizing that no back-and-forth discussion was possible with Brad's brick-wall mind. That's why I've reverted mostly to these little hit-and-runs. I'm not running an Obama-for-President office. I might as well just entertain myself. No response from Brad is necessary.
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We own the government. We're the boss.

Yeah, thalo. Tell that to the TSA the next time they're terrorizing you and cowing you from complaining as you're shuffling through airports in your stockinged feet, with your one-ounce liquids in a plastic bag. Al Qaeda hit us on one day. "Our" government has carried on the work for seven years.
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We own the government. We're the boss.

Yeah, thalo. Tell that to the TSA the next time they're terrorizing you and cowing you from complaining as you're shuffling through airports in your stockinged feet, with your one-ounce liquids in a plastic bag. Al Qaeda hit us on one day. "Our" government has carried on the work for seven years.
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Markle the consummate moron. Bravo! You never fail to be stupid.
 
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Wall Street Journal
Saturday, September 27, 2008

A Hope for America

by Peggy Noonan


Where is America?

America is on line at the airport. America has its shoes off, is carrying a rubberized bin, is going through a magnetometer. America is worried there is fungus on the floor after a million stockinged feet have walked on it. But America knows not to ask. America is guilty until proven innocent, and no one wants to draw undue attention.

America left its ticket and passport in the jacket in the bin in the X-ray machine, and is admonished. America is embarrassed to have put one one-ounce moisturizer too many in the see-through bag. America is irritated that the TSA agent removed its mascara, opened it, put it to her nose, and smelled it. Why don't you put it up your nose and see if it explodes? America thinks, but does not say.

And, as always America thinks: Why do we do this when you know I am not a terrorist, and you know I know you know I am not a terrorist? Why this costly and embarrassing kabuki when we both know the facts, and would even admit privately that all this harassment is only the government's way of showing that it is "fair," of demonstrating that it will equally humiliate anyone in order to show its high-mindedness and sense of justice? Our politicians congratulate themselves on this as we stand in line.

All the frisking, beeping, and patting down is demoralizing to our society. It breeds resentment, encourages a sense that the normal are not in control, that politics has lessened everything, including human dignity. Another thing: It reduces the status of that ancestral arbiter and leader of society, the middle-aged woman. In the new fairness, she is treated like everyone else, without respect, like the loud ruffian and the vulgar girl on the cellphone. The middle-aged woman is the one spread-eagled over there in the delicate silk blouse beneath the removed jacket, praying that nothing on her body goes beep and makes people look.

America makes it through security, gets to the gate, waits. The TV monitor is on. It is Wolf Blitzer. He is telling us with a voice of urgency about the latest polls. But no one looks up. We are a nation of Willy Lomans, dragging our wheelies through acres of airport, walking through life with a suitcase and a slack jaw, trying to get home after a long day of meetings, of moving product.

No one in crowded Gate 14 looks up to see what happened with the poll. No one. Wolf talks to the air.

Gate 14 is small-town America, a mix, a group of people of all classes and races and ages, brought together and living in close proximity until the plane is called. Our town appears, the plane is boarded, the town disappears. An hour passes, a new town begins. This is the way of modern life. We live in magic and are curiously unillusioned.

Gate 14 doesn't think any of the candidates is going to make their lives better. But Gate 14 will vote anyway, because they know they are the grown-ups of America and must play the role and do the job.

But here's something they notice, we notice. Our leaders are now removed from all this, removed from life as we live it each day.

There is as I write broad resentment toward President Bush, and here is one reason: a fine and bitter sense that he has never had to stand in his stockinged feet at the airport holding the bin, being harassed. He has never had to live in the world he helped make, the one where Grandma's hip replacement is setting off the beeper over here and the child is crying over there. And of course as a former president, with the entourage and the private jets, he never will.

Nor will Bill Clinton, nor the senators and leaders who fly by private jet.

I bet a lot of Americans, most Americans, don't like it. I'm certain Gate 14 doesn't.

All this is part of the mood of the moment. It is marked in part by a sense that our great institutions are faltering, that they've forgotten the mission; that the old America in which we were raised is receding, and something new and quite unknown is taking its place; that our leaders have gone astray. There is even a feeling, a faint sense sometimes that we have been relegated to the role of walk-on in someone else's drama, that as citizens we are crucial and yet somehow...extraneous.

But we are Americans, and mean to make it better. We long to put the past few years behind us, move on, and write something good on the page we sense turning.

In all this I am not saying, as Rodney King did, Why can't we all just get along? We can't because we're human: something's wrong with us. But we can do better.

I don't mean "we must outlaw politics," or "splitting the difference is always best." Politics is a great fight and must be a fight; that is its purpose. We are a great democratic republic, and we struggle with great questions. But we can approach things in a new way, see in a new way, speak in a new way. We can fight honorably and in good faith, while -- and this is the hard one -- both summoning and assuming good faith on the other side.

To me it is not quite a matter of "rising above partisanship," though that can be a very good thing. It's more a matter of remembering our responsibilities and reaffirming what it is to be an American.

If nothing else, this means we must now have our fights over big issues, issues of real consequence that are pertinent to the moment we're in. We shouldn't be fighting and hitting each other over the head over little things, stupid things, needlessly chafing ones. When I would think of this the past few years I'd always return to one thing, a prime example of the old way of doing politics. This was the movement, now quiescent, to alter the Constitution of the United States to outlaw...flag burning. Imagine changing that great document for such a stupid thing. As if it meant anything if an idiot burned a flag; as if a lot of idiots were even burning flags -- which they weren't, and aren't. I called it a movement, but of course it wasn't: it was a political game played by one team in order to embarrass the other. "He doesn't love our flag -- he won't even protect it!" Boo! goes the crowd.

And yet the oddest thing is...the crowd knows it's being played. They know their buttons are being pushed. And this doesn't leave them feeling more inspired by, more trusting in, the system. So much of our silliness is, in the end, destructive.

And so I came to think this: What we need most right now, at this moment, is a kind of patriotic grace -- a grace that takes the long view, apprehends the moment we're in, comes up with ways of dealing with it, and eschews the politically cheap and manipulative. That admits affection and respect. That encourages them. That acknowledges that the small things that divide us are not worthy of the moment; that agrees that the things that can be done to ease the stresses we feel as a nation should be encouraged, while those that encourage our cohesion as a nation should be supported.

So where are we now? I yank this into the present to look at the landscape on which a rise to the challenge is possible, but not, I'm afraid, very likely.

It is autumn, and America is picking a president. It has been exciting. The whole year was confounding, putting the professional political class in its place, leaving the experts scratching their heads, and giving us all the feeling -- so precious, so rare -- that the people are in charge. They make the decisions, not pollsters. And you never knew what they'd do next. John McCain was over and done a year ago, out of money and out of luck. And then: he wins the nomination. Barack Obama was unknown and outmatched a year ago, sure to be a victim of someone else's inevitability. Well. Nothing is inevitable. And he wins the nomination.

A year of marvels. And now two men, McCain and Obama, each worthy in his way of admiration, battle it out. Neither seems by nature inclined toward brute, gut-player politics. One, McCain, had been hurt by it in the past, his presidential prospects in part done in by it in the Republican primaries of 2000. He has a temper, and at some point he'll have shown it, but the ugly road, I think, embarrasses his pride. The other, Obama, seems temperamentally not inclined to be a killer, to encourage the dark side of politics. It's not his history: he took down a machine without raising his voice.

However.

Something tells me that the election will show itself to be rough indeed, if not because of the candidates themselves then very much because of their surrogates or would-be surrogates -- a million freelancers and operatives, YouTube Fellinis, and political action committees.

Two huge teams are in a massive public brawl in an era in which the Internet has liberated everyone in the country from the old restrictions, the old establishment, the old, encrusted media monopoly.

YouTube has yielded, this year, the most moving and wittiest advertisements about each of the candidates. Professional political consultants with their piece of the buy didn't produce them, artists did. For Obama, it was the video by will.i.am, with the Obama speech and the snatches of song made from his words. More than anything else this year, it captured the feeling behind his movement. The McCain video, alas, was anti-McCain, and keyed off the will.i.am video. It featured young people and artists taking snatches of McCain speeches, turning them into song, and then starting to...freak out as they listened to the words. It made you laugh out loud. Anyway, one of the untold stories of the year is the failure of the political professionals to compete with the art and brightness of the nonprofessionals.

All of this will be part of the background music of the 2008 campaign. So: it's probably gotten mean out there.

And of course it is not only the result of technology, and partisanship, and human mischief. Some of it has been the result of the past seven years, that trying time with which we have not fully come to grips. Some of the personalities and circumstances that shaped the era are about to ease off the stage. In some way we're about to turn the page. Maybe John McCain or Barack Obama can help us write something good on it.

Yet the economic crisis brings a new question, only recently being articulated, and I know because when I mention it, people go off like rockets. It is: Do you worry that neither candidate is up to it? Up to the job in general? Is either McCain or Obama actually up to getting us through this and other challenges? I haven't heard a single person say, "Yes, my guy is the answer." A lot of shrugging is going on out there. The big shrug is a read not only on the men but on the moment.

The overarching political question: In a time of heightened anxiety, will people inevitably lean toward the older congressional vet, the guy who's been around forever? Why take a chance on the new, young man at a time of crisis? Wouldn't that be akin to injecting an unstable element into an unstable environment? There's a lot at stake.

Or will people have the opposite reaction? I've had it, the system has been allowed to corrode and collapse under seven years of Republican stewardship. Throw the bums out. We need change. Obama may not be experienced, but that may help him cut through. He's not compromised.

The election, still close, still unknowable, may well hinge on whether people conclude A or B.



—Adapted from "Patriotic Grace: What It Is and Why We Need It Now," by Peggy Noonan. Copyright 2008 by Peggy Noonan. Published by Collins, an imprint of HarperCollins Publishers.
 
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Did anyone see "Obama and Friends: A History of Radicalism" on Hannity's America?

Kind of a very effective hour-long Obama investigative smear piece. If you look past some of the obvious tabloidy Hard Copy style smear crap, there's actually some rather disturbing facts.

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Even my conservative friends find Hannity to be a thug who plays fast and loose with the truth. How can you discern the "facts" from the bullshit in a Sean Hannity smear piece?
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In Nelson's neck of the woods there is a huge amount of voter fraud going on by a group called ACORN.

Rico, gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi, who lost last time in a squeaker to the current Democratic governor, says that tens of thousands of dead, illegal, or just fraudulent names have been taken off Washington State voter rolls in the last four years. This is a good thing. ACORN, as you said, is known for getting involved in the most bold-faced voter fraud you can image. Dems have historically been a party to voter fraud while Republicans have historically tried to tighten things up. And as you said, a couple of ACORN "community organizers" were recently convicted in Washington State for voter fraud.
 
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Did anyone see "Obama and Friends: A History of Radicalism" on Hannity's America?

Damn. I meant to watch that, although I did catch about 5 minutes of it. I was too much into watching baseball. And, yeah, the entire Obama portfolio is a bunch of rather disturbing facts. The recurring theme about Obama is that he can't lay his past out and specifically campaign on it. He has to constantly re-invent it, ignore it, downplay it, or deny it. The one thing the key people in Obama's past have in common is that they hated America, we're radical extremists, and were often just outright racists or Communists. That doesn't reflect good on Obama at all.

Even my conservative friends find Hannity to be a thug who plays fast and loose with the truth. How can you discern the "facts" from the bullshit in a Sean Hannity smear piece?

Bring one of your so-called conservative friends to thalo.net, Markle. I'd like to find out if they really have conservative views on things. I think because of the liberal fishbowl that you live in that a person who is just moderately liberal is going to seem like a conservative. Hannity is a conservative without a doubt. He's a very good measure of that.
 
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The state, or freedom.

And every time I hear someone say "The greed of Wall Street," whether that person is Nancy Pelosi or Sarah Palin, they are saying implicitly that government, in contrast, is benevolent. This just isn't the case. Sometimes government does good things, but often it does bad things. To demonizing capitalism and the free market for votes, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, is obscene.

I wish McCain really had the nads to trim it back by half. But the rub there is, the government is a huge employer. So many people would be out of a job.

Well, there's a good philosophical discussion right there. Do you quit cold turkey or use the patch? A patch would be a freeze or across-the draw-down on spending, just like we had that draw-down in the Clinton and Bush I administration (I think that's was the timeline on that although I'm not sure) regarding the military.

Remember that great scene in "Cinderella Man" where Russell Crowe goes back into the unemployment office after he hits it big, and PAYS BACK THE MONEY he got while on the dole? That was a thrilling, patriotic act.

I didn't see that movie. And that was perhaps indeed a patriotic act. But more importantly, it was an act of self-respect and self-reliance. And perhaps that is exactly why it was patriotic. In the Biden view of things, paying taxes is patriotic, which is the same thing as saying the man's happiness and success is a function of the wealth of the state. In the conservative views of things, patriotism could well be defined by being a productive member of society rather than a leech.

You know that saying, you have to spend money to make money? It's true. So if the government spends money, it should do it in such a way that there's going to be some kind of return. And that return won't line the pockets of bureaucrats, ON TOP of them getting our hard-earned. It should be used to make the program self-sufficient. Nonprofit. And if it turns a profit, the taxpayer should share in that.

That's pretty much the liberal view right now. They believe that every penny spent on their programs is an investment, that you get a pay-back on it. This is just not true in a great many cases, if not most cases. What this often turns into is just bought-and-paid-for voter constituencies. Yeah, they get a return, a return to the polls by these voters who are the recipients of government largesse. This is a fact of life concerning government. It's not wrong to try to make things work out so there is a better return. Not at all. But from a conservative point of view, you just deal with what is and say that, although one might be able to make some of these government programs show more of a return, it's guaranteed that the free market will. Every dollar sucked up by government -- every single greenback one of them -- is a dollar taken out of the hands of a family, a business owner, or an entrepreneur who on their worst day usually knows a better thing to do with that dollar than Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi. The government the Founding Fathers set up wasn't expected to run smoothly only if honest men ran things efficiently. Built into it at its very root were mechanisms (such as the separation of powers) that dealt with human frailties and realities. And so from a conservative point of view, we ask not how some government program can be made more efficient, but how we can take the money that is flowing into the vast wasteland of government and give it back to the people who we know will put that money to much better use.
 
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Even my conservative friends find Hannity to be a thug who plays fast and loose with the truth. How can you discern the "facts" from the bullshit in a Sean Hannity smear piece?

You're kidding, right?
The same way I can with a Michael Moore piece. Maybe because I'm an adult who knows the tricks of the trade? Somebody who can spot bias in himself and others? It's a basic human skill. Like when you deal with anyone on the street. Most of us have the survival skill where we can cull the basic truth out from under and amongst the person's line of shit. When somebody is full of it, or has an agenda, they rarely hide it. Hannity certainly doesn't. His job isn't to try and paint the best face on Obama, or give him the benefit of the doubt. Same as Moore for Bush. And yet I can be entertained and informed by both. Because there are underlying facts that the viewer can interpret themselves.

There's a difference between the core facts, and the spinning or marketing or gilding the lily of them. There's a difference between seeing people interviewed say things in their own words, on video, and what surrounds them. Hannity can't make up his own facts out of the clear blue, they have to pass Fox News fact checkers before they are allowed on the air. But what he can do is spin them. He can put put perhaps unrelated things together to make his point (a Moore tactic too, an Oliver Stone tactic), His producers can find the most unflattering still images of Obama, and play music that makes him look shady. They can juxtapose images of radicals and Obama and make blatant postmodern visual connections.

Hannity's tell for when he has a horse in the race is that he gets all sober and unemotional. Where he tries even harder to sound like an objective journalist.

The trouble with this piece, is that there WERE some effective parts. I don't begrudge Moore when he's effective, and I can't Hannity. There were some devastating bits of investigative reporting there regarding the kind of crackpots in Obama's political world. You learn most about a politician by who gave him money. Organizations he lends his name to. People he associates with, and the causes they engage in together.

Much of it is stuff brother Nelson has talked about or linked to. But it's chilling to see the players, hear their words on the record. One thing that got me was a segment where we saw Obama come from defending Wright like family, to distancing and distancing, and finally cutting the cord. And then the whole ACORN connection, and Ayers. It was rather shocking. He talks a good game, but his roots and history are radical left wing nut all the way.

I thought of you guys though, when Hannity took every opportunity to tie Obama to guys with arab names. The Paki roomate Siddiq (who looks like a terrorist), the PLO guy. It was friggin' great. Might as well have shown him arm-in-arm with Zarqawi.
 
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And, as always America thinks: Why do we do this when you know I am not a terrorist, and you know I know you know I am not a terrorist? Why this costly and embarrassing kabuki when we both know the facts, and would even admit privately that all this harassment is only the government's way of showing that it is "fair," of demonstrating that it will equally humiliate anyone in order to show its high-mindedness and sense of justice? Our politicians congratulate themselves on this as we stand in line.


A liberal would see things differently. In the liberal case, "fairness" is not to have a discriminating eye at all but to give the same scrutiny to the 80-year-old Swedish grandmother as to the 20-year-old Middle Eastern-looking dark-skinned man because to do otherwise is considered racist. To the extent that Bush has caved into this ethos (or even boughten into it), he is to blame as well. But this is primarily a product of how the left now judges "fairness" in America. This has been a long time coming but it has led to such things as the lowering of police protection in crime-ridden black neighborhoods because it's not the black criminals running around who are the problem. It's "society" that is the problem. It's wrong for cabbies (even black cab drivers) to be wary of picking up black fares in certain neighborhoods. It's considered racist not to ignore the realities of the world and "fair" if you do and treat everyone equally although everyone is aware that there are some parts of town less safe than others. And we see this new stupid ethic playing out at the airport.

Overall, that Noonan article sounded pretty much like a Freebird one. Long, flowing, meandering, emotional, but having a hard time getting to any kind of a point. Noonan bemoans some of this PC idiocy but offers no solution nor does she get to the heart of the reasoning behind this PC idiocy. I'm sympathetic to some of her bemoanments, but half the reason we are where we are now is because of this non-directed, meandering, irrational, female-like emotionalism. We need a little hard-headed no-nonsense logic directed at the process.
 
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Why McCain Goes Easy on Fannie and the CRA
by James Pethokoukis

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My bottom line: The McCain campaign is underestimating how absolutely furious conservatives are that free markets, and by extension Reaganomics and the last 25 years of American economic policy, are getting the blame for the housing and credit crisis. A real morale killer, they tell me. Over and over. Every day.


After reading that article, I can't say that I think James has landed on all the reasons, or even the main one, for why McCain is pussy-footing around this whole subject. But I think his conclusion is sound. Certainly there's an aspect of this, as Pethokoukis says, where "criticism of the Community Reinvestment Act can make it sound like you are scapegoating minorities for Wall Street's problems." Perhaps, but WHO would do that? That's right, Democrats and their mouthpiece, the mainstream media. Well, this is exactly where the heart of the political battle lays, and either you take that battle up or you don't. In fairness, not many Republicans have had the guts to do so anywhere, whether you're talking at the city, local, or state level. It's much easier for conservative commentators to do so, but they're not running for office. The reality is that too many people in this day and age have boughten into the left's definition of equality or racism. And that monopoly should be broken, and that's certainty something the brain trust of the conservative movement can contribute to.

But at the end of the day, we just need a politician to look into the camera and explain to Mr. and Mrs. Good Average American that, as much as we might want to help all people achieve the American Dream, bankrupting the country, getting involved in unwise and unsound business practices, bloating the size and scope of government, demonizing Wall Street, demonizing corporations, and demonizing the free market itself is not the way to do so. This was Reagan's core message. It was about getting government off of people's backs so that they could succeed. This is a vast and basic difference in philosophy as compared to those who see the state as directly and constantly necessary for the success of the individual. We see the disasters this latter vision often leads to and, I think, will always lead to if unconstrained. Republicans, if they can't actually win elections, should at least work for constraining the beast of government that liberals are constantly and tirelessly working for. We all know they will gin up "the poor," "the victims," and "the racially oppressed" to try to emotionally and dishonestly make their case. Their tactics aren't exactly new. But a large portion of America is waiting for a leader to face down these liberal buffoons and call a spade a spade, if that phrase too hasn't become politically incorrect.
 
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A Long Term Strategy for a Free Market Bailout

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Markets work because they reward good investments and punish bad ones. The legislation's effort to protect unsound investments seems to assume that investors will not take these protective measures into account in future financial speculations.

This quasi-socialist economics cannot and will not work. When a government nationalizes its country's debt, it makes rational assessments of risks in the private market all but impossible. Is it risky to invest in "The Fiduciary Bank of Loans to Unqualified Borrowers?" Who knows? Depends whether or not the bank's "troubled assets" have made the Treasury Department's list.

The potential for further (and far more extensive) corruption in the credit markets under the legislation is almost too vast to conceive. The possibility for graft is both short and long term.[ii]


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1. Privatize Fannie and Freddie. Every homeowner who reads this article will remember purchasing that first home. For most of us the process was daunting. A hefty down payment was required. We knew that homeownership was much more of a responsibility than it was a right.

There is no reason whatsoever to keep the corrupt and unnecessary GSEs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac alive at taxpayer expense. Since their inceptions, both of these GSEs have served as little more than leftist utopian playgrounds.

Sleaze thy name is Government Sponsored Enterprise. The top executives of these two GSEs, politically appointed executives, have stolen hundreds of millions of dollars in so-called "performance bonuses" from Fannie and Freddie.  Christopher Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, has received over a hundred thousand dollars in campaign contributions from the very GSEs he is supposed to oversee.

Owning a home is part of the American Dream. It should once again require thrift and saving. Homeownership is certainly not a constitutional prerogative.

2. Repeal the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA). Like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, this is another leftist quixotic nightmare. The CRA has put hundreds of thousands of low-income people into houses that they could not afford. It has forced private banks ("blackmailed" is more accurate) to put billions of dollars into risky "subprime" loans.

Ignored in the Fannie, Freddie, and CRA debacle are the middle-class property owners and investors who have played by the rules of the private market. These Americans have lost staggering amounts of money in the burst of the housing bubble -- a burst and a bubble caused, to a great extent, by the federal government's meddling in the housing market.[v]

3. Repeal the capital gains tax. If money is needed in the capital markets why tax it? Leave it there.

A lot of countries have dumped this tax in the last twenty years. Repealing the capital gains tax in the U.S. would free up around 100 billion dollars a year for the market.

4. Reduce the corporate tax rate. Corporations pay about 350 billion dollars a year in taxes. If they really need the money -- let them keep the capital that they already have...

8. Drill. Drill. Drill. We send 1.15 billion dollars every day out of this country to purchase foreign oil. If we made this country energy independent we would pump almost that much money into the economy every year. We need to free up all access to domestic fossil fuels and deregulate the building of nuclear power plants. And we need to do it now.

Aggressively pursuing energy independence would add billions to our economy and provide tens of thousands of new, high paying, American jobs. More than anything else we can do, unleashing access to all of our fossil fuel reserves (there are plenty of them) and unharnessing the nuclear power industry would help provide the long term economic and energy stability this country so desperately needs.


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With the exception of the "study" of the mark-to-market rule, none of these free market proposals are on the table. We are told that we face an economic disaster of titanic proportions and then, in the next breath, we are told that only a massive influx of taxpayer dollars can save us. People with sound economic sense know that this is not true.

It is time we started looking to the market place for solutions to our economic crisis. If we continue to look to the federal government to fix the problem, we will eventually corrupt and destroy America's free market system ... and lose ever more economic freedom.


All of this kind of thinking is totally Wolfsbane to the Nancy Pelosi types....which is why we should throw them out of office and certainly not elect as president a man who does not believe in the free market...and, no, I'm not talking about McCain. He's got his own "issues," as they say. But Obama is pure free-market poison compared to McCain.
 
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Bring one of your so-called conservative friends to thalo.net, Markle. I'd like to find out if they really have conservative views on things.

I thought you weren't talking to me anymore.

Damn.

And like I need YOU to pass judgment on who's a real conservative! Rather full of ourselves, aren't we, Braddie?
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Markle you should hear your pals on Air America Radio today. Trying to explain away Senator Husseins relationship with Bill Ayers as though it were just in passing like they had met once or twice at the urinals in the mens restroom.

I have never scene a full airing of Hannity's show on FOX I have heard him on the Radio. If you think Hannity is a thug then how do you describe your buds on Air America Radio? Of all the times I have listened to Air America Radio I have never heard them once say anything that was factually correct. They spin the truth with every syllable.

I love how all of a sudden it is getting nasty by bringing up Senator Husseins relationships with radicals that want to destroy this nation.

Oh and don't worry Markle I wont stop talking to you. I am more than willing to point out how stupid you are regarding your political ideologies.
 
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And like I need YOU to pass judgment on who's a real conservative! Rather full of ourselves, aren't we, Braddie?

Actually, I do think I'm qualified to judge how conservative someone is. The funny thing about political labels, the world "liberal" (and rightfully so, if you ask me) has gotten a bad connotation. And so you have lots of flaming liberals walking around calling themselves "moderates" or sometimes even conservatives. And given their self-definition of what they call a moderate or a conservative, there's really no arguing with that. You can call yourself a toaster if you want to, but you're still a human being because of being a warm-blooded mammal with a big brain who can't make pop-tarts without the aid of an electrical appliance. And when it comes down to the issues and philosophies that really decide political philosophical differences, the true stripes will usually show. They'll show in regards to such issues as gun control, abortion, taxation, religion, judicial activism vs. restraint, the free market vs. state control, etc. etc. I don't define anyone. They define themselves. But it takes getting down to these nitty-gritty issues before one knows if someone's self-label is at all accurate. Often it is not.
 
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Actually, I do think I'm qualified to judge how conservative someone is.

Actually, just for the fun of it, I'll rate those members here who I think are of the conservative/libertarian/classlic liberalism (which I think more describes thalo) bent. I won't rate Markle, HH, smithz, or anyone else because I just don't want anyone to conniption themselves into the hospital. The scale is from 1 to 10. The higher the number, the more conservative. Only Reagan and a few people like that could even approach 10. But I'll stick him on the scale, as well as a couple other prominent conservatives, and perhaps say why I think they rate where they rate. And I'll do myself, no pun intended.

Thalo: 7.3. Very conservative and classically liberal regarding free speech, personal responsibility, free markets, and the limits of government, this latter issue being so crucial and defining that most other issues are mere window dressing compared to this one.

Me: 7.7. I'm not better than brother thalo, just more conservative. Thalo's got much more of a humanist streak in him than a conservative proper might have. A conservative is far more skeptical of human nature than brother thalo sometimes is. Just to put things into perspective, he's going to outrank me on many other scales. But on this one, I nip him by a few tenths.

Rico: 7.0. I think every day his conservatism becomes more and more principled, although he might rather think of himself as independent or libertarian. No matter, on the issues that count, he almost always takes the conservative position and often backs it up with some good reasoning, although like I said, I think he's getting better every day in this regard.

Broeder Yabor. 4.5. Actually, to be fair, I don't know brother Yabor's political positions as much as I know the positions of these other guys. But he's a European who (gad zooks!) doesn't hate America and doesn't believe that Western civilization shouldn't defend itself in the face of Islamic terrorism. No, that doesn't automatically make him a political conservative. You could just say it means he's not an idiot and has common sense. But I think by European standards, he's clearly not a knee-jerk automatic apologist for the state. When they murdered Theo, his first reaction wasn't "Oh, those nasty white people are painting 'Thou shalt not murder' across from a Mosque. That's such a horrible hate crime." And, really, call that libertarianism or whatever you want, most importantly, brother Yabor is not a mindless knee-jerk liberal who has been taught to despise western civilization.

George Will: 8.4. Despite the fact that he likes to tweak conservatives much in the manner of McCain, when he's right there is probably no one in the world who can use the English language like he does to clearly explain and nuance a conservative position. He's often stupidly flippant about some things, but that's just George Will.

Rush Limbaugh: 8.9. When he's not joking around, and when he gets into really explaining political philosophy, no on in the world has such an easy, smooth, and precise command of conservatism. Bar none. Only when Ronald Reagan was alive did he have a superior.

Ann Coulter: 7.9. She's a bit weak on free speech. When she applies herself to political philosophy, she's often as good as it gets. And she has a way of using humor that is very effective. Her main problem is not that she is a consummate mistress baiter and pisses people off. It's that sometimes her thinking can get a little muddled, especially in live interviews and such. She's much better at the written word.

Sean Hannity: 8.2. Although not as refined as George Will, unlike George Will and many conservatives, Hannity never takes his eye off the ball. His core conservative principles run deeply into his DNA. He can speak very well extemporaneously because this is so.

Thomas Sowell: 8.8. The #2 conservative thinker in the world, and #1 regarding espousing conservatism in written form. I've never heard him speak in public that I can remember, but his writing is a tremendously refined and clear articulation of conservatism. There is very little excess baggage that comes with this guy as it comes with Coulter and Limbaugh, for example, who love to tweak people. Sowell is like the Terminator of conservatism. He's just, for the most part, unemotionally and relentlessly good at it.

Ronald Reagan: 9.5. If only he could have passed more conservative policies while in office, he would have ranked higher. But he's the gold standard as far as I'm concerned.

I have hope that in a year's time, brother Yabor can gain a half point or two and that Rico will be sounding more and more like either George Will or Mona Charen, another conservative bastion (easily an 8.3).
 
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