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I guess the outside world doesn't understand Senator Hussein isn't a muslim.

Said ironically, of course. Bozo has previously assured us that his juvenile labeling of Sen. Obama as Sen. Hussein isn't meant to suggest that Obama is a Muslim. Except when it is.
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In the "Liberal Fascism" section of NRO is this post:

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“In actual fact, it is the State, i.e. the taxpayer, who has become responsible to private enterprise. In Fascist Italy, the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise. As long as business was good, profit remained to private initiative. When the depression came, the Government added the loss to the taxpayer’s burden. Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social. In December 1932 a Fascist financial expert, Signor Mazuchelli, estimated that more than 8.5 billion lire had been paid out by the Government from 1923 to 1932 in order to help depressed industries. (Rivista Bancaria, December 15th, 1932, p. 1,007). From December 1932 to 1935 the outlay must have doubled.” [Gaetano Salvemini, Under the Axe of Facism (London: Victor Gollancz LTD, 1936) p. 416]

“In order to avert the bankruptcy of the big concerns that were on the verge of ruin, the Government created certain public institutes to take over the shares of the rescued companies in question until they were again in a healthy condition. Mussolini described these institutes as “convalescent homes, where organs which have more or less deteriorated come under observation and receive appropriate treatment” (January 13th, 1934). These institutes have been hailed as instruments of a managed economy.” [Ibid, p. 417]

That probably has some broad (if not specific) similarities with the financial scandal (and government instrusion into the free market) that we're undergoing currently.

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Originally posted by Markle:

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I guess the outside world doesn't understand Senator Hussein isn't a muslim.

Said ironically, of course. Bozo has previously assured us that his juvenile labeling of Sen. Obama as Sen. Hussein isn't meant to suggest that Obama is a Muslim. Except when it is.
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Hey stupid. I never said Senator Hussein is a Muslim. You are the one who has insisted and repeatedly brings up that his name is a Muslim name. The only person here well now that includes Snobby to are the ones that have a problem with Senator Husseins name.

This is a really good reality-check, summing-up article by Thomas Sowell: Do Facts Matter?:

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But ties between Obama and Raines? Not if you read the mainstream media.

Facts don’t matter much politically if they are not reported.

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don’t seem to know what it is to counterattack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.

Yes, Dr. Sowell. I do believe that facts matter.

BN you are forgetting that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac already are a government intrusion into the free market. One that forces lenders to give to high risk borrowers.

This has been a two pronged attack by the Democratic party to seize power. First was their best effort to sabotage the war on terror. The second was the forced collapse of the sub-prime market to bring down the whole system.

If you look at the numbers before 2006 when the Democrats gained control of Congress. The price of gas was around $2.20 a gallon. Unemployment was below 5%. The Stock Market indexes were at all time highs. 2 years of congressional control by the Democrats one month from a Presidential election gas reached $4 a gallon. Unemployment is above 6%. The Stock Market indexes saw their single highest ever one day drop.

The Democrats are in control of the committees within congress and government that have general over site concerning all these things.

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The only person here well now that includes Snobby to are the ones that have a problem with Senator Husseins name.

I see a few English words in there, but I can't quite translate it.
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I never said Senator Hussein is a Muslim.

EVERY time you call him "Senator Hussein" you're saying he's a Muslim. That's why you do it. Why deny it? Say it out loud! Be PROUD to be a retard!
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BN you are forgetting that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac already are a government intrusion into the free market. One that forces lenders to give to high risk borrowers.

I'm not sure what I've remembered, let alone what I've forgotten, Rico. It seems to me that until the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) was passed into law, and before nut-jobs like Janet Reno and others started pressuring banks to loan in PC-like ways or else, that government-assisted loans -- although an egregious idea to free-market purists -- weren't bringing down the economy. I think government guaranteed (bought up, I'm pretty sure) the loans that were made to higher risk people. These loans were, I think, 1 percentage point higher than the current market rate. Not that big of a deal. But because of political correctness, the liberal mindset that finds racism lurking in every shadow, the passing into law of the CRA, and the non-oversight of Fanny by fiends such as Barney Frank, we then got what we got. Government should stay out of the free market. Period. It should, at most, regulate a few things that always need to be regulated and decided. But only Newt Gingrich and a few others (notably Rush Limbaugh and thalo) are talking this way.

This has been a two pronged attack by the Democratic party to seize power. First was their best effort to sabotage the war on terror. The second was the forced collapse of the sub-prime market to bring down the whole system.

Life, Rico, is about power. The Dems are doing nothing that any two-bit third world dictator wouldn't do. They will gin-up the perception of strife and trouble for political gain. It doesn't matter to them if this undermines our country's security (economic or otherwise). There are apparently enough pre-programmed Markles and Snobby Robbies in the country that, not only do the Dems keep getting away with their fraudulent shenanigans, but Obama is on the verge of being elected president. This is indeed the world turned upside down. Facts matter, as Thomas Sowell said, or at least they should. So, yeah, I'm outraged by the scuzzball behavior of the whole national Democratic Party. With few exceptions, they have comported themselves dishonorably.

The only positive side to so-called "bipartisanship" (and this is surely why it appeals to many people in the public at large) is because what we need is less of the Nancy Pelosi-like fraudulence, obstructionism, and obfuscation and more doing what's good for the country. This is the part of "bipartisanship" that John Adams himself surely would have been supportive of. Instead of running up gas prices in hopes of creating economic hardship, it would be better for the Dems to do what's best for their country and allow drilling for oil. Drill, baby, drill. Instead of letting Fanny and Freddie implode because of mismanagement and misplaced ideas of fairness (including affirmative action for housing loans), it would be better to support the free market with lower taxes, reduced spending, and fewer regulations in the housing market, which would all work toward making housing more affordable. But Dems are, in case you haven't noticed, willing to just about say and do anything for votes. It's frustrating to see such obvious dishonesty being rewarded, but we're turning more and more into a country that is little more than a bought-and-paid-for constituency of one voting bloc or another who is hooked up to a government IV tube of some type of state assistance. This is at the heart of the rot we are seeing, and Bush himself has added quite significantly to it.

If you look at the numbers before 2006 when the Democrats gained control of Congress. The price of gas was around $2.20 a gallon. Unemployment was below 5%. The Stock Market indexes were at all time highs. 2 years of congressional control by the Democrats one month from a Presidential election gas reached $4 a gallon. Unemployment is above 6%. The Stock Market indexes saw their single highest ever one day drop.

The only thing any sane voter needs to know this election cycle (or perhaps any election cycle) is, A) Who will protect this country from foreign threats? and, B) Who will lower taxes and reduce Federal spending? That is all that matters. The rest takes care of itself. But the mindset of more and more people (and I think it was Brett Baier in his report today who did a tremendous job making this point) is that the problems we have are because of the free market being out of control. The truth is just the opposite. The problems are because of government being out of control. We are lost, brother Rico, totally lost as a free country if we lose this argument, if people begin to believe it is the state, not freedom, that produces all that we have.

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Originally posted by Markle:

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I never said Senator Hussein is a Muslim.

EVERY time you call him "Senator Hussein" you're saying he's a Muslim. That's why you do it. Why deny it? Say it out loud! Be PROUD to be a retard!
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How so Markle the Moron. How is it by calling him by his given name insinuates in your mind that he is Muslim. Maybe under your personal definition calling him by his given name means that he is Muslim. Under your strict rules it doesn't matter any which way if you call him Barak or Obama or Hussein in your narrow view of things that means he is a Muslim because it doesn't just sound Muslim to you it is the fact that it is Muslim to you personally. So calling him Barak or Obama wouldn't be any less Muslim for you. Stupid.

Besides I already said I would not disrespect Senator Hussein by calling him Barry. Just so you wouldn't feel he is a Muslim.

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If someone would pour some Marinara sauce on that tangle of pasta in your head, it would be more useful than it is now.
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Here's a good article regarding B. Hussein Obama's religious affiliation: Was Barack Obama a Muslim?
by Daniel Pipes

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Summarized, available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father. At some point, he converted to Christianity. It appears false to state, as Obama does, "I've always been a Christian" and "I've never practiced Islam." The campaign appears to be either ignorant or fabricating when it states that "Obama never prayed in a mosque."

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It is one thing to be president of Argentina in the 1990s, however, and another to be president of the United States in 2009. One must assume that some Islamists would renounce him as a murtadd and would try to execute him. Given the protective bubble surrounding an American president, though, this threat presumably would not make much difference to his carrying out his duties.

More significantly, how would more mainstream Muslims respond to him, would they be angry at what they would consider his apostasy? That reaction is a real possibility, one that could undermine his initiatives toward the Muslim world.

Regarding that second part, it would appear, quite to the contrary, that Muslims around the world might welcome Obama as U.S. President. A leader of Hamas and Kadhafi have made their preference known.

In another article on the topic, Obama was 'quite religious in Islam' by Aaron Klein:

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The Loatze blog run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted, "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young 'Barry Soetoro' being a Muslim would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."

Indeed, the Israel Insider online magazine points out in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledges studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."

"In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama.

The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim .

Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic.

"At that time, I was not Barry's teacher but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old. The Kaltim Post says Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.

"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze.

Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study.

Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post caught up with Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who describe Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam."

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny," Amir said.

The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.

"We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi.

The reality is, several Muslim leaders from around the world have expressed a preference for Obama (and I certainly can't blame them…that's a rational preference from their point of view). And as I understand the rules of Sharia law, because Obama's father (or grandfather) was a Muslim, unless Obama specifically renounces Islam, he is considered a Muslim by other Muslims.

In the end, Obama claims he is a Christian. He almost surely knows a lot about Islam and was well schooled in it. He lived in the world's largest Muslim country for a while. This would hardly be surprising. If America were a predominantly Muslim country, it's likely rather than running from is Muslim past, he'd be shouting it from the trees. But that's politics. It bothers me most in regards to his Muslim past that some terrorist leaders are rooting for him to win. That ought to be a wakeup call to anyone.

Ah wrong again as I prefer Ravioli's which never get tangled

Here's an extremely thoughtful piece by J. Peter Freire: The Barracuda Bites Back

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Ah wrong again as I prefer Ravioli's which never get tangled

If it's in YOUR head, it will be tangled.
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Assuming that Barack Obama was actually exposed to Islam as a boy, and assuming he can remember anything about it, the adult Christian president may have a better understanding of what he has to deal with than the ignorant fools of the past 8 years.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't believe anything from those wingnut websites like the Spectator (famous for the fictional Clinton Troopergate) that Brad insists on copying over here and shoving in our faces.
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I wonder what Brad would be doing with his life if there was no internet.

Standing on street corners, reading out loud from wingnut books and magazines?
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I wonder what Brad would be doing with his life if there was no internet.

Standing on street corners, reading out loud from wingnut books and magazines?

You really are just a sour person, Markle. That's all that comes out of you lately. What possible difference is it to you what I do with my time? All I get from you are these weasely little put-downs. Read a book. Try on some new ideas for size. Gets some facts and information into that biased and partisan skull of yours. Unstick yourself from stupid, as Rico advised (good advice, if you ask me). It would do you some good. What a sad thing to be so beholden to your politics like it was a religion. Me, I hope you can actually prove me wrong about something, anything, because that's the way I learn something new. I like it that way. But why would anyone would want to put their entire self worth into a bunch of liberal ideas that can't hold water? That's very odd to me. Like in science, if something doesn't work or is proven false, you just move on. I hear no defense from you of the liberal ideas that you hold, and you indeed must hold them because you defend the people who hold them and attack bitterly those who don't. But you never do. Don't you get it yet? All you've got is attempts to discredit the other person. But if you can't positively defend and espouse what you're for, then you've ultimately got nuttin' but just a liberal reality distortion field that is no better than a religion, and gauging from just how sour, bitter, and disagreeable you are most of the time, I'd say a damn sight worse than a religion.

Aaron Klein frequently appears on the John Batchelor show or at least did. The Batchelor show was the most informative news show on the air bar none before it was taken off the air. Batchelor has been back on the air the last few months but only on Sunday nights like 8 to 10. His show was always way out in front of the curve.

Aaron Klein is an actual journalist that has put himself in the belly of the beast reporting from the middle east. He often could get Hamas terrorist leaders to come on the Batchelor show. So it is no surprise that he would be the one that found links between Hamas and Trinity United Church of Christ. Well it actually wasn't that hard he just went to the Church website where he found on the "Pastor Page" the Rev Jeremiah Wright's personal section inflammatory opinion pieces from Hamas senior leaders extolling the virtues of terrorism.

I was watching the Sunday morning news shows and it seemed that all of them A. would have on three to four Senator Hussein partisan talking heads and B. they were all going on about the polling numbers. Adding in the numbers of new registered voters most importantly the new Democratic voters. One state they quoted some number like the Democrats gained 300,000 new voters and the Republicans lost 275,000 voters. Didn't Rush Limbaugh have some campaign kaos going on were Republican voters were re-registering as Democrats to vote Hillary. I think that is absolutely hysterical if that is the kind of impact it had. The states they were going on about were also the states Senator Hussein had lost to Hillary.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't believe anything from those wingnut websites like the Spectator (famous for the fictional Clinton Troopergate) that Brad insists on copying over here and shoving in our faces.

There are many fine writers and thinkers at those various websites. Some are truly outstanding. You dismiss good thinkers not to my detriment but to your own. At some point, probably not now but sometime in the future, it may occur to you that there are two choices: either everything you believe right now is correct and everyone else is wrong, or you are mistaken about a great many things. Don't you suppose some of the most egregious problems in the world stem from many people, just like you, who get stuck in their narrow, stubborn, and even prejudiced opinions? Wouldn't the world be better off if more people got unstuck from stupid? (If I ever write a book, I'm stealing that title from Rico). Surely not all the people who challenge your core assumptions are all wingnuts, bozos, and cranks. Do you sense a pattern here? Maybe, just maybe, you're the wingnut. And I'm just saying this for two reasons. One, you really do need someone to unstick you from stupid. And, two, I'm reaching the point, unfortunately, where any further discussion with you is even pointless by the standards of internet forums. I'd prefer that if you really believe the type of gibberish that Obama, Pelosi, John Murtha, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and Howard Dean believe that you find a way to defend it and present it. The phrase "wingnut" can only get you so far in this world. You really do need some new material, Markle.

Well Bros, not Mario Bros, but Thalo Bros...

...just make sure you're actually voting in November. That's all what matters right now.