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| THALO.net divinity |
Oh boy there goes Markle speaking out of both sides of his mouth as usual. So which is it Markle that Bush/Cheney are just a useless lameduck presidency with no power or are they an opportunistic power-grabing dictatorial "unitary executive" power house. You change more than the wind to suit what ever whim it is you want to believe minute to minute. The facts are concerning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac the whole sub-prime failure which started with Bear Sterns was something that President Bush and the Republican led congress tried to take care of but was blocked by the Democrats. It was all recorded by C-Span for posterity. | |||
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| THALO.net divinity |
Seriously Snobby a clear chauvinist such as your self was never going to vote for a women even if she was Madame Curie. Unless of course if she ran as a Democrat. | |||
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| THALO.net legacy |
You've exposed me, Rico. You are one perceptive dude. I might as well let the cat out of the bag. I hate all Scots and Irish because I think that McCain will be as ineffective a leader as Bush and despise all Italians because I can't stomach Pelosi. And, being the chauvinist that I am, I have been having nightmares because I supported Hillary. I only supported her because she's a Democrat, even though I'm an Independent. Keep spinning in circles, brother. | |||
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| THALO.net divinity |
Yeah Snobby you are about as Independent as Markle. | |||
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| THALO.net legacy |
That probably explains why I'd favor Mitt Romney over McCain. Oh wait a minute. He's Morman and I can't stand those sons of bitches. | |||
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| HighHopes |
Understand this bailout issue isn't a matter of Republican versus Democrat or Left versus Right or any of that. This issue is about regular people versus an elite political/economic ruling class that is bloated, incestuous, reckless, inept, self-interested, endlessly greedy, and corrupt at its core. That is what is going on here. Those of you who are still pulling your puds while telling yourselves your favorite crackpot narratives are out to lunch and completely out of the loop. You are just noise. You don't matter because you make yourselves not matter. | |||
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| Master Baiter |
LOL! Me neither, they creep me out. Actually I've got a friend who's one, and my life's mission is to try and make her nice crack, just for a second. So far 15 years no luck. One swear word is all I ask. Call a cock a cock instead of a ding-dong, and a pussy a pussy instead of a hoo-ha. Say oh shit, instead of oh sugar. I almost threw a glass at my plasma TV when I heard the following. More terminology changes. Now it ain't a "bail out plan" it's a "rescue plan." Oh fucking sweet merciful Mary's cunt. How stupid do they think we are? First it wasn't taxpayer money, now it's rescue. Sometimes this postmodern vocabulary crap brings me down. OK, this bailout may not be a Republican vs. Democrat thing... but know what? I'm never voting for a Democrat again. Seeing terrorist Pelosi in action made me embrace the "do everything the opposite of what democrats want" creed. I used to think bipartisanship was a good thing. Now I understand how nut-driving Democrats are. Give me a down-home non-pro, rambling, out-of-her-league, moose-killing hockey mom any day. The more dems hate her, the more I love her. No surprise. I turned out to be a contrarian. That's my party. I will vote for the candidate that will most piss off al-Qaida and liberal Democrats. Whatever they say to do, do the opposite. | |||
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| THALO.net divinity |
Double H what are you talking about? The financial crisis is entirely due to the sub-prime market. Loans to people who are well outside your definition of the people who have the power. It was the government who was forcing lenders to make loans to these people. By law as in quotas. I keep hearing people say that these lenders knew what they were doing that they were making bad loans. Yes they were making bad loans because they were being forced by the Federal government to make bad loans. Does anyone for a second think that greed merchants would make loans that people were never going to be able to pay back on purpose. That is not how greed merchants work. They are to greedy to be left hanging without payment. Back in 2003 and 2005 it was clear to some that the system was broken. That the high risk loans were a serious threat to the health of the economy as a whole. That it needed to be fixed before the money ran out. Those warnings went unheeded. They said everything was sound and okay. Well it wasn't sound and okay. I agree totally it isn't about Republican versus Democrat or Left versus Right. It is a matter of right versus wrong. At the end of the day on this issue the facts point directly towards the Democrats being wrong and the Republicans being right. That is just the way it is. There were hearings back in 2004 recorded by c-span on the health of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In the hearings you have the Republican side arguing that Fannie Mae is heading towards a total collapse of the mortgage system that could affect the whole economic system if nothing is done to correct the problem. The Democrat side including Barney Frank arguing that everything is sound and wonderful. That the system has never worked better. What the Democrats accused the Republicans of being at the time were racists. Nothing was done about the impending problem that was clearly warned about. Fast forward today we have Terrorist Pelosi making some partisan speech that this has all come about due to failed policies of the Republicans even though there is irrefutable evidence that it was and is her party to blame for the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. | |||
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| THALO.net divinity |
This is about as scary as it gets. The beginning of the fascist state. | |||
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
Al Qaeda will be sorry to see BushCheney go. They've carried on the terrorist goal of keeping Americans in a perpetual state of fear. We're shuffling through airports in our stockinged feet, carrying our belongings in a plastic tray, afraid to complain or object. Old ladies in wheelchairs have to take their shoes off and be searched. And bin Laden is still alive and well. John Achmed al-McCain promises to perpetuate the same policies. No mystery who bin Laden is for. . | |||
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| Mockerator |
The beginning of the fascist state. Fascism isn't defined by rosy-cheeked children singing in unison, even if they are spoon-fed those songs. We all sung Christmas carols in school, for example, and that turned us neither into fascists nor religious kooks. And fascism isn't defined as children having a happy moment while being led by an adult for someone else's political gain. It's common for certain self-appointed anointed elites to lead other less informed, ignorant, and/or powerless people. This happens all the time in our democracy, and that's not necessarily fascism, although it is at least demagoguery. What makes the situation portrayed in that video fascist, if it is fascist, is the end-run being done around thought and an appeal to emotion, and to emotion only. It's fascist, if it is indeed fascist, because it is elevating a political figure into a mythical and quasi-religious one. | |||
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| Master Baiter |
I'm with Broeder Rico. That Obama logo might as well be a swastika. It might as well be on an armband. Those blue shirts might as well be brown. Chilling. Brad's right though, emotion is the key. Hitlerjugend WEPT when the Führer spoke to them. They sang with tears in their eyes. Dakota-Morgan, why are you crying? "Oh, mommy, because I love Barack SO MUCH... and he's going to bring us freedom and hope." When I say Ba, you say RACK... | |||
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| Mockerator |
A pretty good article by Robert Stacy McCain: Libertarian Populism.
There's definitely a disconnect out there (and thankfully so, in my opinion) between the people at large and what a number of so-called experts are saying, including the press. "The same people who broke it are saying they now want to fix it and monitor it." -- Rush Limbaugh | |||
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| Master Baiter |
Here's the guy to listen to: Jeffrey Miron | |||
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| Mockerator |
Love this one. Jeffrey Lord tears Katie -- and Snobby Robby -- a new one in Paradigms Lost. And he brings up some other matters as well.
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| Mockerator |
Oh, Jesus. I think Miron just nutshelled it.
Again, I'm not a financial expert. I only play one on TV. But a good many conservative commentators (not including the hot chicks, Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham) were saying that we must have a deal -- a deal now -- or else all is lost. Hell, you ought to see the headlines on this morning's Seattle Times. You'd think Armageddon had come. I swear, the two people who may have been most right about this -- and I admit I wasn't one of them -- is thalo and Rush Limbaugh. Oh, and I guess you can add in Jeffrey A. Miron as well. But even Sowell was stumping for some kind of quick bailout, any bailout, and now, although he nuanced it much more carefully, and it's likely that he's probably more in support of whatever lesser steps are taken than that 700 billion blank check.
Yeah.
Because there *is* an emotional component (a confidence and fear component), I recommend they reduce or drop the capital gains tax in order to stimulate things and, well, get back to more capitalism which is the only answer to this.
I think Rush must have read this, or read part of this on his show, because he mentioned this point as well. It makes logical sense.
Ditto, and not mentioned in all this is that if it is indeed considered a worthy goal to make homes more affordable then lighten up on all the burdensome and expensive red tape that, at least in my area, adds a lot of needless cost to homes. Oh, and reduce people's taxes as well. Oh, and eliminate at least 15% of government spending right now. Oh, and by all means don't vote Obama into office. Oh, and you might want to kick out of few of that current crop of Democrats too. | |||
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| Thalo.net Skeptic |
How dare Couric ask a political candidate a question?! I think it was Palin herself who sent that "message." You guys are such uncritical water-carriers for anyone you perceive to be on your "side" that it's embarrassing. Or should be. . | |||
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| THALO.net divinity |
We're uncritical water-carriers? Your joking right. The whole media core have been uncritical water-carriers for Hussein/Biden but some how you only reserve judgment on us. Biden actually stated that FDR went on TV to calm the public over the crash of the stock market in 1929. The medias response: Crickets chirping. That was only one gaffe in a string of gaffes over several days. Nobody ever mentioned that Biden was cluelessly unqualified to be VP. | |||
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| Master Baiter |
No, wait, I certainly recognize that Palin's interview with Couric was a disaster. She was shaken up, rambling, over her head. But she's still the best person in the race. I'd still rather have her as my Vice President, nay, PRESIDENT, than Obama, Biden, even McCain. Not every president is a foreign policy savant. I think Palin would be a Domestic one, though. To me she represents the only politician who's the real deal. Not a phony ass-wipe. You hear people talking all the time about how the job of president or VP isn't something you learn on the job. To that I say, BULLSHIT. That's exactly what it is. Nobody is capable of doing that job until they do it. They either rise to the task, or they don't. I see Sarah baby as somebody I have every confidence of doing just that. All these so-called EXPERIENCED politicians aren't looking very experienced right now, are they. In fact, some of the worst leaders are some of those with scads of Washington experience. Give me a Mrs. Palin Goes to Washington scenario. I don't trust anybody but her to run this country. Or maybe Newt, but he doesn't want the job. Or Ann Coulter. As a pundit, she'd be a better leader BY FAR than anyone in Congress. | |||
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| Mockerator |
How dare Couric ask a political candidate a question?! How dare Sarah Palin run for the Vice Presidency. The article was about Katie Couric's holier-than-thou double standard. These guys (and gals) parse every word of Palin while their favored candidates get an almost complete pass. This is so far from objective journalism that, if objective journalism weren't such an important function in a democracy, it would be laughable. You guys are such uncritical water-carriers for anyone you perceive to be on your "side" that it's embarrassing. Or should be. I'm constantly amazed at your Democratic-like boldness with calling the other side what you yourself are doing. You've got all these Democrats running around saying Fanny Mae is George Bush's fault or the Republicans' fault. You seem to soak up this Democratic mindset like a sponge, Markle. | |||
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