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OK, here's the field in the 133rd running of the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs:

1. Sedgefield 50-1
2. Curlin 7-2
3. Zanjero 30-1
4. Storm in May 30-1
5. I'm a Wild and Crazy Guy 50-1
6. Cowtown Cat 20-1
7. Street Sense 4-1
8. Hard Spun 15-1
9. Liquidity 30-1
10. Teuflesberg 30-1
11. Bwana Bull 50-1
12. Nobiz Like Showbiz 8-1
13. Sam P. 20-1
14. Scat Daddy 10-1
15. Tiago 15-1
16. Circular Quay 8-1
17. Stormello 30-1
18. Any Given Saturday 12-1
19. Dominican 20-1
20. Great Hunter 15-1

Boston Globe says no clear choice

OK brothers, make your picks...
 
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A longshot could really take this one. I'm going to have to go with Teuflesberg, #10. I like that chick trainer, Jamie Sanders, and I love the backstory of this horse, how it was bought for a song. Past performances show early speed, a tendency to lose down the stretch, but I have a feeling that they know how to run this horse now, and it's got the speed.
 
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I know absolutely nothing about these horses so I'm going to sort of pick them like a girl – by the sound of their name. And maybe there's some logic to this. One of the rules would be, Which name sounds like the name of a Kentucky Derby winner? Certainly "Hard Spun" doesn't fit the bill at all. Nor does "Great Hunter." But I have a real affinity for the Derbian names such as "Zanjero," "Circular Quay," and "Cowtown Cat." But I also think "Sedgefield" and "Stormello" are worthy considerations as well. And I have a real sneaking suspicion that "Tiago" is so Derby-winner-sounding that he could be tough to beat. But when push comes to shove, and I consider the odds as well, I've got to go with "Circular Quay."

Can you cover my nickel on that horse, thalo? Are you the one handling the betting?
 
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Can you cover my nickel on that horse, thalo? Are you the one handling the betting?

I would, brother, but I'm betting through a friend who works at a teletheater, a place that gets all the race feeds. I placed my bet last night, and now she's not answering her cell phone. I think the cutoff for me to have her place bets for me was last night. Sorry man.

If I were you, I'd google "off track betting <yourstate>" and you'll see a PDF of OTB locations. Maybe you could get to one of those before post time, or find a buddy who lives near one to cover you and make bets in person on your behalf.

I thought the same thing about Tiago... a great Derby Horse name. Actually, I'm looking at the form now, his last time out he broke slow, back of the pack, and rallied to take it. And in that race he was ridden by Mike Smith, the guy who's riding him today. That's a really decent pick.

I also like Circular Quay, and bet an Exacta with him.
 
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No, just joking around about the betting. But let me help you. Let me tell you who I would bet on and then you do the opposite. Sort of a George Costanza thing, LOL. But you might better find a winner that way.

Post time seems to be 6:04 eastern (3:04 my time). It looks like it will be broadcast on NBC. I might be out and about but I'm going to try to catch it and see if I can at win any bragging rights.
 
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Bragging rights would be sweeter with a nice fat wad of cash to go with them. I think the payoffs on this race have the potential to be wild. There's just too many good longshots. It'll be kind of a drag if the chalk takes it. I think it'd definitely be worth it for you to plunk down a few bucks on the race.

An exacta or trifecta bet with a couple of those 20-1 or 30-1 shots could mean a new tricked out top-of-the-line Mac for somebody.

Hell, there's a 50-1 shot "I'm a Wild and Crazy Guy" that's had some respectable showings against a few other horses in this field in the past. If he has a good day, wow. Definitely a better's Derby. And Queen Elizabeth will be there. We were just talking about her, so maybe it's a sign that one of us will clean up, lol.
 
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And Queen Elizabeth will be there. We were just talking about her, so maybe it's a sign that one of us will clean up, lol.

There must be an interesting story about how and why horse racing became such an upper-class sport. Perhaps it fits in line with the whole class idea of good breading. I really haven't any idea. But one thing I really love about horse racing is the names. Here, let's create a couple thalo.nettish ones:

Crop-settler

Beachball Bomber

Horse-in-Progress

I'm sure you can do better.
 
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Beachballer

Eyeroll-a-Coaster

Blue Crawler

Veins Will Pop

Real Bloated

Count-the-clicks
 
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"Horse-in-Progress" is my favorite.

Crystal Sausage

Digikid's Revenge

Command Line Hell

Widget Whinny

Crap-faced Nag

Next Step Glue Factory
 
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And past Kentucky Derby winners whose names perhaps foretold OS X:

Grindstone (1996)
Spend A Buck (1985)
Genuine Risk (1980)
Foolish Pleasure (1975)
Swaps (1955)
Whirlaway (1941)
Bubbling Over (1926)
Behave Yourself (1921)
Exterminator (1918)
Regret (1915)
Lookout (1893)
 
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I think "Crystal Sausage" is a definite winner, followed closely by "Next Step Glue Factory." I'm actually sitting here laughing out loud with just a hint of water in my eyes. This is funny.

And now the past Kentucky Derby winners who names definitely did not presage OS X:

Winning Colors (1988)
Spectacular Bid (1979)
Jet Pilot (1947)
Black Gold (1924)
Agile (1905)
Plaudit (1898)
 
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Now let's see if we can find some OS X-like names from the Belmont Stakes past winners:

Lemon Drop Kid (1999)
Caveat (1983)
Sherluck (1961)
Needles (1956)
Assault (1946)
Chance Shot (1927)
Mad Play (1924)
Grey Lag (1921) [Should be blue lag, but they got the "lag" part right]
Peter Pan (1907)
Tyrant (1885)
Panique (1884)
Spendthrift (1879)
Ruthless (1867)
 
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Holy crap at first I thought there was a horse in the race called Crystal Sausage. I was ready to run out to an off track betting place.

Just 2 years ago when the long shot won my coworker had given his wife money to put on the long shot. She did not get around to it. They would have won $10,000.

What are the best exacta's to bet today? I can get to a betting place.
 
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Now onto the Preakness to find harbingers of OS X:

Tank's Prospect (1985)
Little Current (1974)
Candy Spots (1963)
Greek Money (1962) [Ooops…I thought that said "Geek Money." My mistake.]
Hasty Road (1954)
Blue Man (1952)
Broomspun (1921)
Watervale (1911)
Whimsical (1906)
Refund (1888)
Saunterer (1881)
 
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The Teuflesberg story.

I checked the horse's bloodlines too, and lo and behold, there's a little piece of Secretariat in him, on his father's side (Johannesburg).
 
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It seems somewhat amazing that there hasn't been a Triple Crown winner since Affirmed in 1978. And in that time span there were three in six years starting with Secretariat in 1973 and Seattle Slew in 1977. I really thought Funny Cide was going to do it in 2003. And Real Quiet (great name, by the way) gave it a tremendous shot in 1998. And there have been many others who have won the first two races and not the third. But it will be decades, if not centuries, before we see another Secretariat. Although horses are specifically bred for speed, it might take fiddling at the genetic level to produce something better than Big Red.

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Well then I guess that makes Teuflesberg (don't like the name though) a sentimental favorite. It was because of Secretariat that I even began to notice horse racing. Ha. And to think back to that time. There was a lot of buzz, of course, but I just thought I was seeing something not too out of the ordinary. How does one separate hype from super-horse? But what a damn privilege to have seen that horse run, if only via the TV. And even back then, not knowing a thing about the particulars, you could tell that horse was special. If it's possible for a horse to walk with a certain bearing, this one did. So many of the horses seem so skitterish, like they are emotional wrecks. Not Secretariat. It just looked liked it had the steely-eyed determination and confidence that you see in a Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky.
 
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The owner Lisa Logsdon gave Teuflesberg his name, which mean's "Devil's Mountain" in German.

He is in the 10 slot too which is not bad. So is this the thalo.net horse to bet? How about an exacta with Iamawildandcrazyguy. This horse is a 50 to 1 shot. He is on the inside of Teuflesberg in slot 5.
 
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Cat-a-tonic
Fuzzy Whuzzler
Bluraway
Shadowside
Blue Tripper
Geekanator
Ram-bunctious
 
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Okay, Rico. I'm good with your Exacta. Now I'm going to pick the Trifecta (a boxed Trifecta will count as well):
Win: Teuflesberg
Place: Iamawildandcrazyguy
Show: Circular Quay

And I'm picking up my racing terms from here, but not the following one. At thalo.net we must pick an exCrapta. That's the last three finishers. I'll take (in descending order):

Bust: Any Given Sunday
Fiasco: Great Hunter
Luh-ooo-oo-OOO-serrr (said with a Jim Carey accent): Liquidity
 
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Q: Why are racehorse names traditionally so weird?
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A: Racehorse names certainly tend toward the unusual. Current Thoroughbred names on the books include Satan at Midnight, Danzig Times Two, Morning Bagel, Spice Jaws and—my personal favorite—Non Sequitur.
            One reason for this weirdness is that, to keep breeding and racing records clear, racehorse names must be registered in the “stud book” of various national racing agencies. Duplicate names are not allowed, which encourages extreme originality.
            The same thing happens with other pedigree breeds or registered names: dogs (a recent prizewinning schnauzer was Charisma Jailhouse Rock), yachts (Sail La Vie), even hybrid roses (Atombombe).
            However, racehorse names were pretty weird even before there were stud books. There’s surely a psychological reason as well.
            The anthropologist Claude Levi-Strauss noted that animals typically get common, usually quasi-human, names only if they’re fully integrated into human society (such as pet dogs and cats). He said racehorses do not fit this bill, instead being “products of human industry” that are raised and used in a very restricted and largely commercial context.
            Thus, they are usually given non-human names, and often ones with a secret meaning known only within the stud farm or racing industry. Contrast to police horses, which very frequently have human-style names, reflecting their more intimate relations with general human society. (The Boston City Park Rangers stable currently houses Sammy, Clyde, Jake, Gringo, Zeus and Diablo.)
            Strange racehorse names may also relate to the former tradition of giving dray horses—the two-horse wagon-pulling teams—suitable twin names such as Thunder and Lightning or Pomp and Circumstance.
            However, when racehorse breeding and betting got started in England, probably in the 1400s, the horse names were not very distinctive. They usually just described the horse and named the owner; the most famous early Thoroughbred studs include Place’s White Turk and Darley’s Arabian.
            By the 1690s, horse names were getting more catchy and sometimes truly bizarre. There were a few common names—an Alfred, a Johnny—but “common” was already rare. British horses of the 1700s included Ancient Pistol, Pot-8-Os and Bloody Buttocks Arabian.
            In 1752, the UK Jockey Club formed and started registering names in a stud book. The names have become stranger ever since. But they’re also more restricted, including an 18-character length limit, and no offensive or commercial names. (Similar rules govern the naming of Standardbred racehorses.)
            Name inspirations today including current events (Dangling Chad, Infinite Justice) and sheer bravado (Makamegabuck). Obscure personal references have always been popular; Man o’ War was named for his war-veteran owner, and Secretariat for the stud farm’s office secretary.
            Also widely used, often very cleverly, are puns based on the horse’s parents’ names. Native Dancer was the child of Polynesian and Geisha; Watamichoppedliver was the child of Chopper Charlie and Libber and Onions.
            Similarly, Blondeinamotel was sired by Bates Motel, and Judge Smells spawned Odor in the Court.


Eighteen character limit. I checked again and indeed it is "Imawildandcrazyguy." That's 18 characters. You guys have it slightly different -- and one character longer.
 
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