This has been my Browser of choice.

Camino

They just moved to the version 0.8b.

The Camino forum has good advice on getting the best performance from it. There is even a familiar face in there I think.

I think thalo.net should add a favicon. I mentioned this before but did not know the proper name then.

Check the "Camino 0.8b-how often does it crash?" thread for links to plugins so Camino can use Java 1.4.2.

Camino is pretty stable for me at least. Maybe I don't visit enough sites but it loads and renders pages fast. Sites like the national weather service can lock it up if you use the doppler radar pages. It did it the other night when I was tracking the thunder storms in the area. We were missed but thalo might have gotten some serious wind and lightning.

So if you want a free stripped down no bells and whistles browser with tabs and pop up blocker Camino might be for you.

Okay, on your recommendation, brother Rico, I installed Camino. I can't say I like the way it does tabs. But I can say that this browser shows that THE INTERFACE ELEMENTS (specifically menus) DON'T HAVE TO BE DOG SLOW! I don't know if it's the less-is-more aspect of this browser or if Apple programmers are just sloppy, but I can't think of another program whose menus are so responsive. I doubt you could detect this on a faster computer, but on my 300 MHz iBook you surely can tell.

So...other than the shear "gee whiz" factor, why might one use Camino as opposed to Safari?

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I think thalo.net should add a favicon. I mentioned this before but did not know the proper name then.

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OK, I did a favicon, but I'm too stupid to figure out how to get it to show up in the guts of the forums... those pages are generated by friggin' eve, that c-word

And I've been all up and down the control panel to figure out how to modify the line of code I need to, in order to use our favicon instead of infopop's lightbulb... to no avail. Oh, but of course the favicon shows up fine IN the admin environment. We can talk more about it in mod talk, brothers, but I tried that "custom html" field, which is supposed to insert into the head section... but it didn't work. I think it's broken. I liked the old ubb.x better, where you could modify the page templates manually.

So anyway, if you want to see our snappy new thalo.net favicon, you have to go to the home page. With Safari. Hey, I think for a 16px icon, the gestalt says "OS X Talk"... and polarized issue (black and white) dividing the mac community... the talk balloon treatment reminds me vaguely of the two faced mac icon, turned on its ear, lol.

The other day I saw on Resexcellence a link to Shiira.

This browser is faster than Safari, and does tabbed browsing well.

The interface is not as stripped-down as Safari's (favicons in the bookmarks bar), nor is it monochrome. Still, it's worth checking out, and keeping an eye on in the future.

the talk balloon treatment reminds me vaguely of the two faced mac icon, turned on its ear, lol.

Ohhh. I first interpreted that as a line graph, as in the spike of a heart beat.

None of the browser contenders are really that spectacular java-wise. One flipped out on a JVM issue, another died with some basic applet.

I've said it before, but Windows will continue to kick the Mac's ass as long as it's better at games, and porno. Supposedly such a multimedia powerhouse, the Mac chokes while WinTel users choke their chickens while they chat with naked chicks (fluid, high frame rate video)... and kill zombies.

So, even WITH music, the Mac is falling behind. And the browser upstarts continually prove it. Not one can really touch IE on the PC for all around performance and compatibility. They are all about putting friggin' eye candy on top of the same old shit. Still nobody is dealing with the main problems. Except, in fairness, Safari.

But like I said, I can still find plenty of sites that devour it. I mean christ, it's only been in the last few months that this site even worked. There are too many cool sites that feel absolutely no reason to be Safari compatible. If it's about working with IE... then Safari has to do what IE does, better and faster. That's all there is to it.

There should be no site that you can go to that a Mac browser doesn't perform better than a PC. Guess what? We ain't there. Even the music store feels snappier on Windows iTunes. That shit has to end.

I see Apple is slightly changing the emphasis on its "Pro Day" campaign. Now, not even HINTING that it might refer to creative professionals. That was such a joke, they had to shift gears. Now it's more about ubiquitous "business" users. Which, I'm sorry to say, AGAIN we should be reading as "dopes."

Apple wants nothing more than to corner the dope market.

Excellent work thalo. The Favicon is showing up fine in Camino. I had to go to the homepage but after that it lit right up in my bookmarks tool bar. The sad thing is if Camino does crash you lose all the favicons and have to start from scratch again. I think the addition of the favicon will atract in all those digikids lerking on the peripheral.

To answer Brads question of why Camino. For me at least I had always used netscape. So moving to Camino was a no brainer. I use the Go function from the menu bar to navigate each page or tab I have open. I could never figure out how to do this in other browsers. The Go menu lets you easily jump back to previous pages visited. It functions the same for as many pages or tabs you have open. You can also make tab folder for your bookmarks tool bar. There should be one that says Mac News Tabs. If you click on this folder it will open one window with 3 tabs to different sites. I don't use Safari so I do not know if this function is possible in Safari. Camino has good speed and functions solely as a browser.

So I counter why not Camino.

Isn't IE only fast on Windows machines? IE is really just an extension of Windows file browser which is embedded in the Core of Windows. It is also why Windows is so prone to viri attacks I think. IE is so embedded in the system that it makes the system vulnerable to attacks. Just my speculation. Also Camino is being maintained by a small group of people for free. IE has a huge software company behind it.

That's why I did not like it when Panther showed up moving System Preferences functions to Safari and Mail. Apps and the OS should be kept seperate.

I use the Go function from the menu bar to navigate each page or tab I have open.

You mean you don't like repeatedly hitting the "back" button in a Russian-roulette-like effort that "back" will get you where you want to go, which is where you had been – maybe – if you're in the right tab or window? Pansie.

So I counter why not Camino.

Yeah, why the hell not? Camino isn't exactly a million miles from Safari anyway. They both look and work quite similar, at least at first glance. I do wish that Camino had widgets for increasing/decreasing text size.

Check under View Customize Toolbar. You can place buttons to make text bigger or smaller.

One other thing which I like to do is under Preferences Appearence Font tab there is an advanced button. There I set the minimum font size to 12pt. There is so many fonts on web pages that are so small they strain my eyes to much. Setting this minimum font size larger makes pages easier to read. There is a minimum font size for most browsers which usually is turned off. You can do the same for Mozilla.

I think Safari borrowed alot from Camino which was formally called Navigator. Like under File there is no searching a sub menu to open a new window or tab. Simple straight forward. I am not sure if Camino or Safari implemented how you can edit Bookmarks but Camino had been using a side drawer. This new method is much better.

Since the introduction of the Favicon thalo.net already has 2 new members.

One whom has already created their own thread.

Since the introduction of the Favicon thalo.net already has 2 new members.


I'll be damned, brother Rico. That's the secret then. HEY, THALO! Let's add some stripes 'round here. Pronto.

you mean we finally broke 60? Hot damn. Stripes for everyone.

I just realized how to bookmark a group of tabs in Camino if anyonw is still using it.

Adding a group of tabs as a bookmark is as simple as adding a bookmark and then click the bookmark all tabs check box in the bookmark drop down menu.

Camino has officially gone to 0.8 release.

Brothers and Sisters I have bad news.

Camino is dead as a browser.

The development team is doing away with the functionality of the Go menu replacing it with global history. It had always shown a concise ordered session history. Instead now a random bloated superabundent list of url's appear that include links to sites which have nothing to do with any open window or tab leaving out the links relevant to the forward window.

In short Camino's new Go menu shows every link except the ones were you actually need to go.

Tiger killed Camino.

R.I.P.

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Similarity in description above to any thaloism's are purely but not unadulterated coincidence.

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Tiger killed Camino.

But it didn't kill Firefox, which I haven't really tested thoroughly, but the grapevine says it's the next big browser.

I just love the goofy "flaming fox humping the earth" icon. It speaks volumes. And we wonder why there's global warming. Sheesh.

To entise Internet Explorer users Firefox's Go menu also uses global history. So Firefox is a useless browser also.

Mozilla is the last intuitive browser left.

I thought Mozilla and Firefox were the same animal.

Yes and No.

They are the same project using the Gecko engine that was the original Netscape Navigator but Mozilla still functions like Netscape Navigator.

Firefox is using the Gecko engine but functions like Internet Explorer. The Go menu shows global history. Mozilla's Go menu shows session history.

Safari has no Go menu but uses a History menu that is global. This also mimics Internet Explorer.

Camino was called Navigator at first because it was a lean form of Netscape Navigator. A straight shooting browser with really no bloat. They had to change the name because of copyright infringement when AOL/TimeWarner bought the name Netscape Navigator.

When Tiger was released the Go menu stopped functioning in Camino. There are nightly builds that now show global history under the Go menu. Instead of adding a History menu they did away with the functionality of the Go menu replacing it with the bloated convoluted global history. The developers are changing Camino into Safari. They think global history is some modern feature that is needed.

Hence Camino is a dead browser. If I wanted global history I would be using Safari.

Mozilla still has it right.